乔丹被包夹协防率历史第一，远超现役球员，唯一接近乔丹的是几年前的巅峰库里，其他的不说。

真心请教，哪里得到的数据？

乔丹就是因为被包夹太多，所以掌握了大量的无球技术，他的无球能力也是历史顶级的，这才是全能。和现在有的人只会单打，以为跑几个空切就是无球是完全不一样的。而且他的身体素质也保证了他不会在无球端像库里受干扰那么严重。

乔丹的身体，技术水平，意志力历史第一没有疑问。昨天有个人和我争论联防是不是有利于乔丹这个问题。我想表明的是联防肯定是不利于大多数靠球星单打为主要进攻方式的队伍。很明显的就是11年小牛针对热火的区域联防。小牛是方式联防用得最好的队伍。詹姆斯因此迷失。乔丹肯定不会迷失，但是会失去很多单打的机会。从而失去一些得简单分的机会。

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乔丹的身体，技术水平，意志力历史第一没有疑问。昨天有个人和我争论联防是不是有利于乔丹这个问题。我想表明的是联防肯定是不利于大多数靠球星单打为主要进攻方式的队伍。很明显的就是11年小牛针对热火的区域联防。小牛是方式联防用得最好的队伍。詹姆斯因此迷失。乔丹肯定不会迷失，但是会失去很多单打的机会。从而失去一些得简单分的机会。

是事实就摆事实说话。15年库里总决赛基础数据强于96总决赛乔丹有疑问，你非说我胡说，然后弄17.918.5这种类似某类高阶数据。乔丹某个系列赛被针对打得数据不如库里就是黑。哪个球星没有被针对过。然后我说乔丹历史第一，逻辑没问题吧，你非说我刚说了库里强于乔丹。联防不利于任何以单打为主的球星，包括乔丹，这是共识，也是我们平时打球的体会。你可以说乔丹能力天下第一，可以轻松破联防，那我也无话可说，然后我说我不懂联防很明显是被你气笑了，说了一句反话。然后你一波断章取义，全部拿来说我精神分裂，这不是人身攻击是什么？还什么年纪大了害不害臊，不是人身攻击是什么？

乔丹的身体，技术水平，意志力历史第一没有疑问。昨天有个人和我争论联防是不是有利于乔丹这个问题。我想表明的是联防肯定是不利于大多数靠球星单打为主要进攻方式的队伍。很明显的就是11年小牛针对热火的区域联防。小牛是方式联防用得最好的队伍。詹姆斯因此迷失。乔丹肯定不会迷失，但是会失去很多单打的机会。从而失去一些得简单分的机会。

你的观点总体没错，问题是乔丹本来就经常被联防对待。当时的规则虽然不允许联防，但实际上很多球队就在打联防，裁判也不吹。第二，乔丹无球能力历史顶级，并不是只有持球运半天才能发起进攻的人。第三，nba有防守三秒，这个规则是用来防止内线密集站位的，乔丹时期内线防守没有这个规则，而且因为现在外线站位更空旷，导致nba联防的效果远比预期的小。”我们的球队现在就一直用联防，不管规则如何。我们不把那用”联防“这个词称呼，但那其实就是联防”。What particularlybothers Motta is that many teams try to get away with zone defenses now,content to only be penalized by a technical foul. "Our teams are zoning now. Rule or norule. We're not allowed to use the word `zone' but it's a zone," Motta said.-THE NBA HAS THIS RULE ABOUT ILLEGAL DEFENSE, BUT WHO CAN EXPLAIN IT, ANDWILL IT EVER GO AWAY? A TWILIGHT ZONE (LA Daily News April 14, 1996 Scott Wolf)“我们了解规则”， 爵士前锋布朗说，”我们利用2.9秒时限，不停的在盯人和联防状态反复切换，所以实际上，我们通常不会被吹太多非法防守。""We know the rules," burly forward Mike Brown said. "We take advantage of the 2.9 seconds, going down and coming back. And usually, we don't get too many zone defense calls.-NOTEBOOK; No Matter What They Call It, Jazz Dials Z for (Illegal) Zone, David Aldridge Washington Post, May 19, 1992It didn't take New Jersey coach Dave Wohl five minutes to analyze Albeck'smilestone."The Bulls played well but they blatantly played illegal defense allnight," said Wohl, whose team shot .400 from the floor, "and theofficials did a horrible job calling it."I've got the films andI am sending them to the league office. I would like to play zone, too. If therefs can't see it something is wrong. They were basically playing a collegezone, not switching and guarding certain areas." Despite a height disadvantageat every spot, the Bulls outrebounded New Jersey's front line 33-29 and put thegame away when Orlando Woolridge came off the bench smoking.-Bulls get Albeck No. 300 Chicago Sun Times, March 12, 1986 (Mark Vancil)Jack McCloskey, Detroit general manager: "The other thing of interest to me is theadvent of zone defenses in general. If the lack of recognition continues,they'll have to give the offenses more time to set up. I know the things we'redoing ourselves, and what teams like New York and Los Angeles are doing, and Idon't like it. Weare playing a lot of illegal defenses, and the offenses don't have a chance toattack.-CLEVELAND LOOKS GOOD FROM INSIDE, Boston Globe/Bob Ryan January 8, 1989Of course, Don Nelsonplays the best zones that are never called. His Warriors have Chris Mullin,Mitch Richmond and a defense that funnels everything in to Manute Bol when he'sin the game. And Golden State outrebounded Utah by an average of 51-41 in the fourgames-The Teams of the '90s Key Up for a Head Start Washington Post/DavidAldridge April 27, 1989Johnson applauded Riley's switch to a trapping defense in the second half afterthe Suns led 54-50 at halftime Friday night.The Suns have been hampered by poor outside shooting throughout the series, and Phoenix coachCotton Fitzsimmons has complained that the Lakers are playing an illegal zonedefense.Phoenix has shot 51, 42 and 46 percent in the first three games, compared with60, 45 and 49 percent for Los Angeles.Suns guard Jeff Hornacek said, "We've been an outside shooting team allyear and we expect our outside shooting to take us through it. But when you're nothitting outside shots, their zone looks like it works a lot more."-Lakers poised to whisk away Suns, Chicago Sun Times May 28, 1989Both the Lakers and Pistons know what Los Angeles must do to compensate to makethis series competitive once more. First, crash the boards. "Keeping themfrom second shots is probably the key to the series," said Pistons CoachChuck Daly. Then,play more (don't tell anybody) zone defense, funneling the little Pistonsguards to Abdul-Jabbar.-Scott's Injury Has Mates Hamstrung, The Washington Post, June 8, 1989.Thomas BoswellDespite the injuries, the Lakers were hardly playing like a desperate team.Instead, they were relying on the resurgent offense of Abdul-Jabbar and theexplosive moves of James Worthy (26). Defensively, LA defied the bylaws of the NBAand stuck with a trapping zone defense to minimize Detroit's quickness.-PISTONS ROLL TO 3-0 LEAD, Boston Globe Jackie McMullen, June 12, 1989Sunday's final day of meetings likely will result in minor changes ininterpretation of zone rules, with coaches and officials spending time on thecourt at the nearby College of the Desert.During the NBA finalslast June, Los Angeles Lakers coaches and players spoke about theirunderstanding of "zone principles" that allowed them to trap teamswithout being called for a technical foul for playing a zone defense. PhoenixSuns Coach Cotton Fitzsimmons complained long and loud about officials notcalling the zone, which frustrated guard Kevin Johnson.-PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL; Small Talk Is the Big Thing As NBA MeetingsWind Down, Washington Post, David Aldrige, September 17, 1989Coach of the Year: Pat Riley, Lakers. Riley's psychological efforts never havebeen more needed. His team still is playing at an unbelievably high level, andsomeone other than the players has to keep their interests razor-sharp. And no team playsbetter zone defense (oops, can't say that) in the playoffs. Riley's made acottage industry out of never being coach of the year. That should change.-On the NBA's Best-of List: Barkley, Riley, Robinson, Seikaly, WashingtonPost David Aldridge, April 11, 1990In a news conference Wednesday morning, a rare opportunity to pick the brain ofa game official, Strom shared some of his opinions on the state of NBAofficiating.On zone defenses:"The referees, to a man, would love to see it done away with. They don'tlike calling it zone defense because they do allow certain zones to be played. I think they'relegislating against teams playing good team defenses, which I think iswrong."-NOTEBOOK; Pistons' Dumars Delivers a Public Thank You, Washington Post,David Aldridge June 14, 1990Pippen's ability toroam puts a spark into the Bulls' effective zone press that worked so wellfor the early 1970s Knicks teams that coach Phil Jackson played on. The zone press forcesopponents in a preferred direction, and fans can expect the Bulls to continuepicking their spots with the press for the rest of the season.-Bulls put pride in defense, Chicago Sun Times, Dave Hoekstra, Feb 25, 1991Magic dictated the slower pace at one end, and had the Lakers' defense sagging back ina barely disguised zone to keep Jordan and Pippen from penetrating. "Weunderestimated their defense," Grant said. "They sagged and wesettled for jump shots."-Single Hand Can't Top Team Magic, Washington Post, Michael Wilbon June3, 1991Watch the Utah Jazz walk the fine line between a legal and an illegal defense.See Mark Eaton dance - as well as a 7-foot-4, 300-pound man can dance - acrossthe lane for 2.9 seconds, just avoiding the zone defense call.There's John Stockton, not really guarding his man, but getting close to himjust in time to escape the whistle. There are double-teams off the ball, whicharen't supposed to be legal, but they are just for a fraction of a second, justtime enough to throw an offense off stride.The Jazz is all about Karl Malone running the floor as well as any big manalive, and Stockton finding the open man as well as any guard alive, and JeffMalone shooting the jumper as pure as anyone in the game. But they're mainlyabout zone defense, which is supposed to be illegal in the NBA."We come as close as possible" to playing zone, Eaton acknowledges."You have to have the ability to help and you have to be able to shut downthe middle. And to be able to do that, you have to push it to the edge."Coach Jerry Sloan, who spent a career knocking opposing guards upside the headin Chicago, says this isn't his ideal, only an appreciation of his personnel."I like to run as much as anyone else," he said. "When I was incollege we used to score 100 points seven or eight times a year. But with MarkEaton on the floor, we can't run fast. We can't give them 100 {points}, becausewe probably won't score more than that. That's who we are and that's who we'vebeen for years."How do they get away with it? It starts with Eaton, who camps out in the laneas long as possible, shaded toward his man, but gets out just before it's toolate. Stockton lingers when the ball goes inside, not quite double-teaming, notquite going back to his man. Thus he's able to help in any direction - inside,against people cutting down the lane and against his own man."We know therules," burly forward Mike Brown said. "We take advantage of the 2.9seconds, going down and coming back. And usually, we don't get too many zonedefense calls.-NOTEBOOK; No Matter What They Call It, Jazz Dials Z for (Illegal) Zone,David Aldridge Washington Post, May 19, 1992Auerbach,incidentally, feels that the NBA should do something immediately to end somecurrent tactics. "The games I am watching in the playoffs are toophysical," he said. "There is too much clutching and grabbing andholding away from the ball that is not being called. What some of theseteams are getting away with in the name of defense is outrageous. Two guys jumpout to double up on one guy and the other three guys play in a zone behindthem. That's illegal, but it is not being called. I know there is a feeling that ifeverything that is going on is going to be called, it would slow the game down,but I feel the other way. Call all the fouls. Send everyone to the line. Itwouldn't take long to stop it. There is no reason for all this hitting andbanging. Some of the picks they are setting are more than picks. They are meantto hurt guys, and that is not right."-Ziegler buyout deal: it's bye and out as NHL leader, Boston Globe May30, 1992, David McDonoughSpecifically, the Bulls will have to do a better job of handling Seattle'spressure defense. They didn't do that in the first meeting, particularly whenthe Sonics employed half-court and full-court traps."They play a zone;they play a zone defense," Bulls coach Phil Jackson said.

是事实就摆事实说话。15年库里总决赛基础数据强于96总决赛乔丹有疑问，你非说我胡说，然后弄17.918.5这种类似某类高阶数据。乔丹某个系列赛被针对打得数据不如库里就是黑。哪个球星没有被针对过。然后我说乔丹历史第一，逻辑没问题吧，你非说我刚说了库里强于乔丹。联防不利于任何以单打为主的球星，包括乔丹，这是共识，也是我们平时打球的体会。你可以说乔丹能力天下第一，可以轻松破联防，那我也无话可说，然后我说我不懂联防很明显是被你气笑了，说了一句反话。然后你一波断章取义，全部拿来说我精神分裂，这不是人身攻击是什么？还什么年纪大了害不害臊，不是人身攻击是什么？

你说上面的数字远胜下面的数字，你解释给大家听听？

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nba不鼓励很多人去防一个人，那样会造成商业联盟没有吸引力。很多球星没办法自由发挥。东契奇说了nba得分比国际或者欧洲得分容易，事实也是联防和单防的问题。字母哥也是一样，在nba获得数据的能力远强于国际联赛。

主要是效率啊，命中率啊。很多人说乔丹远强于科比不就是说的那5百分之五的命中率啊

nba不鼓励很多人去防一个人，那样会造成商业联盟没有吸引力。很多球星没办法自由发挥。东契奇说了nba得分比国际或者欧洲得分容易，事实也是联防和单防的问题。字母哥也是一样，在nba获得数据的能力远强于国际联赛。

笑死了，你这话说的似乎乔丹在8/90年代遭遇的多人防守比现在少似的！恰恰相反，乔丹生涯遭遇的包夹频率是历史外线巨星中最高的！而乔丹的无球能力、破包夹能力都是历史最顶级。8/90年代全联盟对乔丹充满恐惧，刺客说过“和乔丹比赛前夜全队都睡不好”。对乔丹的限制是每个教练最头疼的问题！莱利之所以在热火退役乔丹的球衣是因为他真的被乔丹打服了，从尼克斯到热火，莱利无一不是堆积全队资源去围剿乔丹。别拿詹姆斯来比，他差乔丹很远！从80年代一直执教到新世纪10年代的禅师公开说过“乔丹到现在打球能轻松突破场均45分”！禅师的观点也是众多业内人士的共识！

那个年代不让zone，也就是不让等防，可你怎么执行，如图所示，乔丹基本全程面临两人包夹，第三人或第四人在等防，规则根本没法实施，不让等防只会让包夹来得更猛烈

好吧，你们都认为包夹就是联防我也不说了。

你最喜欢钻牛角尖了。任何球员都会碰到单防和多人防守，即便角色球员亦如此。区别在于比例频率！现在NBA得分比Fiba容易是因为现在NBA的比赛强度下滑太多。Fiba的规则更接近8/90年代的NBA，可见现在的NBA确实不如以前。

nba不鼓励很多人去防一个人，那样会造成商业联盟没有吸引力。很多球星没办法自由发挥。东契奇说了nba得分比国际或者欧洲得分容易，事实也是联防和单防的问题。字母哥也是一样，在nba获得数据的能力远强于国际联赛。