[英超传声筒]MD26 看完这场白卷闷局，R站网友对手球规则更糊涂了由传声筒 发表在足球话题区 https://bbs.hupu.com/topic
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ON：切尔西 0-0 曼联
[–]【曼联】lamth1998 1258 points 18 hours ago*
Death, taxes, and nil nil draws to a hyped Man Utd’s EPL match
死亡、税收，以及让人空欢喜一场的曼联英超白卷
[–]【阿森纳】kaden_dd 381 points 18 hours ago
Should have put my live savings on a 0-0 draw
早知道我就押全部身家买0-0平局了
[–]【曼城】4ssteroid 221 points 18 hours ago
Do it next week for the Manchester Derby. You're welcome
下周的曼彻斯特德比欢迎你梭哈。不用谢
[–]【曼联】PumpedUpMatic 173 points 18 hours ago
You're too humble
You're probably winning 3-0 or something.
老兄你也太谦虚了吧
你城怕不是随随便便赢我抬3-0。
[–]【曼城】4ssteroid 244 points 18 hours ago
I don't see either team risking it. Same as tonight. We'll have possession, you'll have like 7 counter attacks wasted by Martial
两队都不会冒险啊。就跟今晚的比赛一样。我们制霸控球，而你魔则会制造出7次反击机会，然后全部被马夏尔挥霍。
[–]【曼联】GermanLBJ 79 points 18 hours ago
Painfully accurate :(
好气，但是无法反驳 :(
[–]【曼城】4ssteroid 96 points 18 hours ago
Don't worry, we have Sterling and Jesus who will be making lots of clearances in your box
安啦，特工斯特林和热苏斯届时会在你魔禁区内帮忙解围的
[–]【热刺】too_old_throwaway 298 points 18 hours ago
Manchester United's results in these big games this season -
Chelsea : 0-0, 0-0
Arsenal : 0-0, 0-1
Liverpool: 0-0
Man City: 0-0
Spurs: 1-6
曼联本赛季面对其他传统五强的战绩——
对切尔西：0-0，0-0
对阿森纳：0-0，0-1
对利物浦：0-0
对曼城：0-0
对热刺：1-6
[–]【阿森纳】thedarkpolitique 231 points 18 hours ago
The commentators keep saying “there’s been a lot of 0-0’s in the big games this season”.
No, there’s been a lot of 0-0’s in United’s games.
解说员一直在说“本赛季有太多强强对话打成0-0”。
此言差矣，应该是有太多曼联的比赛打成0-0。
[–]【切尔西】raymondliang 612 points 18 hours ago
The result everyone expected, but no one wanted.
人人都能料到这张白卷，人人都不想看这张白卷。
[–]【利物浦】abeltesfaye_ 204 points 18 hours ago
Was probably the most predictable 0-0 of all time lmao I didn’t even watch
哈哈，这大概是有史以来最容易预测的0-0了。我连比赛都没看
[–]【班加罗尔FC】MysterSisterFister 65 points 18 hours ago*
Tbh, seems like Ole sets out to not lose, instead of trying to win these big games. I never understand his substitutions (or lack of) in general. Waits 80 mins. to make a substitution in a 0-0 game, and that's Martial. You practically played against 10 men the last 10 mins.
Fans talk a lot about his man management, but he doesn't seem to show any trust in players outside his preferred starting 11.
有一说一，感觉索帅在应对重量级比赛时，战略上更倾向于保平而不是争胜。我从来都没看懂过他的换人，或者不换人的决断。枯等80分钟，0-0的局面下终于做出调整，换上马夏尔。你这基本就等于最后10分钟少打一人嘛。
关于索帅的球员管理能力，球迷们谈论良多，但他似乎对首发11人之外的球员缺乏信任。
[–]【曼城】deception42 1072 points 18 hours ago
I illegally streamed this game and I still want my money back
这场球我看的是盗播，但我还是想喊RNM退钱
[–]【切尔西】CaptainSkull22 365 points 18 hours ago
the streams are getting worse and worse too
直播源本身现在也越来越差了
[–]【斯旺西】Hughsea 187 points 18 hours ago
Seems like you need 3 or 4 streams to watch a full match now.
这么说来，现在看一场比赛大概需要3、4个直播源才行。
[–]cannacanna 38 points 18 hours ago
what a waste of pixels, give me my bandwidth back
这比赛，简直是对每一个像素点的浪费，还我的带宽流量
[–]【曼联】A_Brown_Passport 628 points 18 hours ago
If I had a nickel for every time there was a close up shot of Chilwell blowing out his boogers in this match, I'd have two nickels.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
如果转播方每一次给奇尔韦尔擤鼻涕来个大特写，我都能拿5分钱的话，那我现在手里该有1毛钱了。
钱固然不多，但这都能给两次镜头真是奇了怪了。
[–]【阿森纳】Thesecondorigin 140 points 18 hours ago
Blowing snot rockets is pretty common. It’s weird they just showed it happening twice
擤鼻涕确实很常见。但电视转播能放两回就离谱
[–]【曼联】A_Brown_Passport 99 points 18 hours ago
It wasn't even in the background lol. The cameraman literally zoomed in for a face shot of him blowing it out...twice.
Like, why you gotta do this man like that?
他甚至都不是在背景画面里。摄像师真就放大焦距，把镜头直接怼到他脸上，给大家看他擤两次鼻涕。
场上真的没啥好播的么，你拍这干啥？
[–]【切尔西】samsop 25 points 18 hours ago
You can hear a player blow their nose on these mics but I can never make out what a manager is saying
球员擤鼻涕，声声入耳；教练喊战术，句句静音。
[–]【南安普顿】Superonkey101 335 points 18 hours ago
A game with some promise but really just a typical 0-0 in these “big” games. Too predictable. The quality on the ball was just terrible at times.
Stupid logic of “taking a point” is gonna cost some teams, both teams were there for the taking today.
备受期待的焦点战，然而又是一场典型的0-0“强强对话”。一点预测难度都没有。比赛质量有时候真是菜得抠脚。
我看总有些球队要栽在“一分知足”这种傻缺逻辑上，今天这场球双方都是奔着这目标来的。
[–]【联曼】DuanneOlivier 154 points 18 hours ago
The quality on the ball was just terrible at times.
That McTominay pass at the end...
比赛质量有时候真是菜得抠脚。
你瞧最后阶段麦克托米奈那球传得……
[–]【尤文图斯】AleDelPiero10 31 points 18 hours ago
Has there been one entertaining match between any of the top 4/6 this season? Every one that I’ve seen has been cheeks
这赛季这些前四/前六球队之间的比赛有过哪怕一场好看的吗？我看过的每一场都拉胯得很
[–]【阿森纳】IDontCareAboutGarage 94 points 18 hours ago
The Liverpool-Spurs "title decider" in December was pretty fun.
去年12月，利物浦与热刺的“冠军争夺战”倒是娱乐性拉满。
[–]DigBickLana 215 points 18 hours ago
Most big games this season have been quite good, it’s just Man Utd suck the life out of it in theirs
Man Utd 0-0 Chelsea
Man Utd 0-0 Man City
Liverpool 0-0 Man Utd
Chelsea 0-0 Man Utd
本赛季大多数强强对话还是不错的，主要就是曼联拉后腿
曼联 0-0 切尔西
曼联 0-0 曼城
利物浦 0-0 曼联
切尔西 0-0 曼联
[–]【阿森纳】kaprrisch 58 points 18 hours ago
0-0 and 0-1 with Arsenal too.
还有对阿森纳的0-0 和 0-1
[–]Halfpricemywhip 149 points 18 hours ago
Not a big game
审题，强强对话
[–]【曼联】D1794 51 points 18 hours ago
Game was really void of many clear cut chances for both sides. Thought we played well for a lot of the 1st half and sank in the 2nd half.
It was a penalty for me in the 1st half which probably gives us a completey different game. Annoying we keep blanking against our top 4 rivals.
本场比赛双方都没有什么太好的机会。我们上半场踢得挺好，然而下半场就萎靡不振了。
上半场那个禁区争议在我看来应该是个点球，如果判了的话那比赛走势肯定完全不一样。跟争四对手全交白卷，实在让人郁闷。
REPLAY：14' 切尔西禁区疑似手球，VAR判定无点球
[–]【切尔西】jMS_44 3013 points 21 hours ago
Regardless if that's a pen or no, how the fuck the ref allows Azpi and CHO stand next to him and watch the screen?
该不该判点球先搁一边，裁判是怎么会允许阿兹皮利奎塔和奥多伊站到他身边一起看回放屏幕的？
[–]battlefielder696 1410 points 21 hours ago
Remember when Suarez got a yellow for the same thing
我记得苏亚雷斯之前就因为同样的事情吃了张黄牌
[–]【曼联】bleepbleepboot 978 points 21 hours ago
You want consistency? Follow some other sport.we make up roles as we go
想要标准一致？去看其他体育项目吧。咱们这行业都是想起一出是一出的。
[–]【马竞】zts105 67 points 19 hours ago
thats the actually rule too. You aren't allowed to go over there and its a yellow card.
规则确实就是这样没错啊。裁判看回放的区域你当然不能过去，去了铁定给你发黄宝石卡。
[–]【曼联】xXDaNXx 361 points 19 hours ago
Was wondering the same thing, they're saying stuff to him as well. That's a yellow according to the rules. But this is the Premier League, where refereeing is made up and the rules don't matter.
我当时看到这一幕也挺纳闷，他俩甚至还跟裁判掰扯上了。按规则这就是妥妥的黄牌行为。然而这儿是英超，判罚都是浮云，规则有个屁用。
[–]【英格兰】BanterWithTheLadsYe 2087 points 20 hours ago
They're just making it up as they go along
判罚什么的，编一编也就出来了
[–]【曼联】Seb-sama 673 points 19 hours ago
English refs are utter fucking shit at their job.
英国裁判真就端着自己的饭碗给大家喂翔。
[–]【西雅图海湾人】johnwaters29 270 points 18 hours ago
Shot smacked at 100 mph, hit a defenders arm on the edge of a box? Pen. A seemingly intentional nudge of the ball with your hand? No pen. Makes uh...sense I guess
时速100英里的射门，击中站在禁区边缘的后卫手臂？点球。看似有意的手臂击球？不是点球。行吧，说得……通。
[–]【南安普顿】bastianevan 3468 points 20 hours ago
there’s the weekly rule change then
所以手球规则一周一变呗？
[–]【查塔努加FC】preddevils6 1028 points 20 hours ago
It changes match by match.
一场一变。
[–]Ickx-502 463 points 20 hours ago
Changes decision by decision, see Southampton vs Wolves
一哨一变，不信请看南安普顿对狼队那场
[–]OptaJoe_ 254 points 20 hours ago
Make rule : implement it with no logic
Get criticised and change it
Then go completely the other way next week and repeat this process throughout the season.
Boomerang.
制定规则：推动执行，然而毫无逻辑
遭受批评，马上更改
下一个比赛周完全按另一个标准执行，然后循环这个过程直至赛季结束。
周而复始。
[–]【阿森纳】AllISaidWasJehovah 185 points 19 hours ago
He clearly motioned towards the ball with his arm.
And he clearly touched the ball with his hand.
Two different players but apart from that it was fairly clear cut.
Seriously though...... what's the argument for this not being a penalty?
他（奥多伊）明显向皮球伸出了手臂。
而且他确实用手碰到了皮球。
镜头里是有两名不同的球员，但除此之外整个回放都非常清楚。
说实话……这还能争辩不是点球？
[–]【奥利恩特】O-V-N-R 62 points 18 hours ago
I assume he hasn't given it because Greenwood touched/knocked CHO's arm. Not sure if that's the right decision though - it looked a pretty light touch.
我估计裁判没判点球是因为格林伍德碰/撞到了奥多伊的手臂。当然我不确定这判罚对不对——双方手臂的接触很轻微就是了。
[–]【埃弗顿】aztecraingod 47 points 17 hours ago
I've been watching soccer for 25 years and I have zero idea when they'll call a handball and when they won't.
我看球已经25年了，然而我还是看不明白裁判啥时候会吹手球，啥时候又不会吹手球。
[–]【多特蒙德】BVBene 51 points 20 hours ago
No rule change, just a bad referee.
规则没改，不过是裁判差劲罢了。
[–]【中洛锡安哈茨】saltypenguin69 1406 points 20 hours ago
I don't understand the handball rule anymore
我再也搞不懂手球规则了
[–]bugleboy-of-companyb 424 points 20 hours ago
Everytime I think I understand it they make a decision like this and I'm scratching my head again.
每次我以为我搞懂规则的时候，他们就来这一出，然后我又得冥思苦想了。
[–]【布莱顿】45MonkeysInASuit 263 points 17 hours ago
Handball is when the ball hits the hand
but not just the hand, the arm is counted as part of the hand
but not the whole arm, just the bottom 2/3rds
but not when the arm is in a natural position
but only when the player doesn't have time to react
but not when you are an attacker, attackers get no time to react
and attackers dont have natural arm positions
but not when it is a thursday
or a late kick off on a sunday
or when the seconds on the clock are a prime number
but the shoulder does count if there were 3 cows on the parliament lawn on the wednesday before the last tuesday of last month
but all that only applies if the game features a team that is from north of london and if the game is taking place south of london. It's a different set of rules of it features a team from south of london and is taking place north of london.
皮球击中手部时应判罚手球
但是并非仅仅是手部，手臂同样视为手的一部分
但是并非手臂的全部，只是手臂的下三分之二部分
但是手臂处在自然位置时并不适用
但是仅在球员没有时间做出反应时适用
但是对于没有时间去反应的进攻球员并不适用
同时进攻球员的手臂也不存在自然位置
但是比赛在星期四举行时并不适用
星期日晚场比赛也不适用
时钟秒针指向质数时也不适用
但是如果上个月最后一个星期二之前的那个星期三，议会草坪上有3头奶牛的话，那么肩膀也视为手部
但是以上规则只有在比赛于南伦敦举行且有一方来自北伦敦时才会生效。如果比赛于北伦敦举行且有一方来自南伦敦的话，那就完全是另一套规则了。
[–]【利物浦】dj4y_94 248 points 20 hours ago
Just flip a coin everytime it happens mate, will make the same amount of sense.
老哥搞不懂没关系，每次有手球出现你就抛个硬币，效果和裁判吹罚是一样一样的。
[–]3359N 1452 points 20 hours ago
Replace referees with magic 8 balls imo, you'd get more logical and consistent decisions
把这些裁判换成神奇8号球，给出的判罚会更有逻辑性和一致性
（译注：神奇8号球是一种球类玩具，内有20个答案，问出问题，摇摇球体，它会随即给出一个答案。该玩具曾在《老友记》中出镜。）
[–]【切尔西】vaccines_melt_autism 378 points 18 hours ago
Ref: "Magic 8 Ball, was it a handball?"
Magic 8: "Better not tell you."
裁判：“神奇8号球，这是手球吗？”
神奇8号球：“还是不告诉你的好。”
[–]【阿森纳】chaboispaghetti 177 points 18 hours ago
Sounds like a prem ref
一听就是老英超裁判了
[–]【热刺】Goalnado 1851 points 20 hours ago*
Please, someone help this make sense, with everything else we've seen so far this season, how the fuck is that not a penalty?
Edit: Did anyone else enjoy the entire Chelsea team all appealing for a blatant handball when they thought it was Greenwood, only to turn around and start losing their shit when the ref actually went to review it? Classic stuff.
有没有好心人帮我捋捋这事？按照本赛季截至目前我们目睹的种种判罚，这特喵的怎么就不是个点球？
编辑：有人喜欢那一幕吗？一开始切尔西球员以为是格林伍德触球，全队都在嚷嚷要求判罚手球，结果裁判真去看回放的时候，他们又回身装作无事发生了。名场面啊。
[–]【曼联】LalleUtd 543 points 20 hours ago
Only one person knows. And tbh, I'm not really sure even he knows it.
（是不是点球）只有一个人知道。而老实讲，我还真不确定他知道。
[–]【曼联】Bombtwo 158 points 19 hours ago
I suspect the referee has let the play run on for too long after the incident, and giving the penalty would make him look like an absolute buffoon for missing it earlier.
依我看来，主裁在疑似手球之后任由比赛进行了过长的时间，如果真判点球的话，那之前忽视掉疑似手球的主裁自己不就像个傻X了吗。
[–]【曼联】MissingLink101 982 points 20 hours ago*
Hand at shoulder height. Staring at the ball. Plenty of time. Hits his hand.
That's a handball right?
手部与肩平齐。目视皮球。时间充足。球触手部。
这就是手球不是吗？
[–]【曼城】Faultyexistence 404 points 20 hours ago
No idea why it isn't.
我反正不知道为什么不算手球。
[–]【曼联】MissingLink101 220 points 20 hours ago
I've seen some say Greenwood forces his arm but from what I can see he's touched the ball before any contact with Greenwood (or at least destined to regardless)
我看见有人说是格林伍德把奥多伊的手臂撞过去碰到球的，但就我看到的情况而言，奥多伊在和格林伍德发生任何接触以前就已经手部触球了（或者至少注定会碰到球）
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ON：切尔西 0-0 曼联
[–]【曼联】lamth1998 1258 points 18 hours ago*
Death, taxes, and nil nil draws to a hyped Man Utd’s EPL match
死亡、税收，以及让人空欢喜一场的曼联英超白卷
[–]【阿森纳】kaden_dd 381 points 18 hours ago
Should have put my live savings on a 0-0 draw
早知道我就押全部身家买0-0平局了
[–]【曼城】4ssteroid 221 points 18 hours ago
Do it next week for the Manchester Derby. You're welcome
下周的曼彻斯特德比欢迎你梭哈。不用谢
[–]【曼联】PumpedUpMatic 173 points 18 hours ago
You're too humble
You're probably winning 3-0 or something.
老兄你也太谦虚了吧
你城怕不是随随便便赢我抬3-0。
[–]【曼城】4ssteroid 244 points 18 hours ago
I don't see either team risking it. Same as tonight. We'll have possession, you'll have like 7 counter attacks wasted by Martial
两队都不会冒险啊。就跟今晚的比赛一样。我们制霸控球，而你魔则会制造出7次反击机会，然后全部被马夏尔挥霍。
[–]【曼联】GermanLBJ 79 points 18 hours ago
Painfully accurate :(
好气，但是无法反驳 :(
[–]【曼城】4ssteroid 96 points 18 hours ago
Don't worry, we have Sterling and Jesus who will be making lots of clearances in your box
安啦，特工斯特林和热苏斯届时会在你魔禁区内帮忙解围的
[–]【热刺】too_old_throwaway 298 points 18 hours ago
Manchester United's results in these big games this season -
Chelsea : 0-0, 0-0
Arsenal : 0-0, 0-1
Liverpool: 0-0
Man City: 0-0
Spurs: 1-6
曼联本赛季面对其他传统五强的战绩——
对切尔西：0-0，0-0
对阿森纳：0-0，0-1
对利物浦：0-0
对曼城：0-0
对热刺：1-6
[–]【阿森纳】thedarkpolitique 231 points 18 hours ago
The commentators keep saying “there’s been a lot of 0-0’s in the big games this season”.
No, there’s been a lot of 0-0’s in United’s games.
解说员一直在说“本赛季有太多强强对话打成0-0”。
此言差矣，应该是有太多曼联的比赛打成0-0。
[–]【切尔西】raymondliang 612 points 18 hours ago
The result everyone expected, but no one wanted.
人人都能料到这张白卷，人人都不想看这张白卷。
[–]【利物浦】abeltesfaye_ 204 points 18 hours ago
Was probably the most predictable 0-0 of all time lmao I didn’t even watch
哈哈，这大概是有史以来最容易预测的0-0了。我连比赛都没看
[–]【班加罗尔FC】MysterSisterFister 65 points 18 hours ago*
Tbh, seems like Ole sets out to not lose, instead of trying to win these big games. I never understand his substitutions (or lack of) in general. Waits 80 mins. to make a substitution in a 0-0 game, and that's Martial. You practically played against 10 men the last 10 mins.
Fans talk a lot about his man management, but he doesn't seem to show any trust in players outside his preferred starting 11.
有一说一，感觉索帅在应对重量级比赛时，战略上更倾向于保平而不是争胜。我从来都没看懂过他的换人，或者不换人的决断。枯等80分钟，0-0的局面下终于做出调整，换上马夏尔。你这基本就等于最后10分钟少打一人嘛。
关于索帅的球员管理能力，球迷们谈论良多，但他似乎对首发11人之外的球员缺乏信任。
[–]【曼城】deception42 1072 points 18 hours ago
I illegally streamed this game and I still want my money back
这场球我看的是盗播，但我还是想喊RNM退钱
[–]【切尔西】CaptainSkull22 365 points 18 hours ago
the streams are getting worse and worse too
直播源本身现在也越来越差了
[–]【斯旺西】Hughsea 187 points 18 hours ago
Seems like you need 3 or 4 streams to watch a full match now.
这么说来，现在看一场比赛大概需要3、4个直播源才行。
[–]cannacanna 38 points 18 hours ago
what a waste of pixels, give me my bandwidth back
这比赛，简直是对每一个像素点的浪费，还我的带宽流量
[–]【曼联】A_Brown_Passport 628 points 18 hours ago
If I had a nickel for every time there was a close up shot of Chilwell blowing out his boogers in this match, I'd have two nickels.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
如果转播方每一次给奇尔韦尔擤鼻涕来个大特写，我都能拿5分钱的话，那我现在手里该有1毛钱了。
钱固然不多，但这都能给两次镜头真是奇了怪了。
[–]【阿森纳】Thesecondorigin 140 points 18 hours ago
Blowing snot rockets is pretty common. It’s weird they just showed it happening twice
擤鼻涕确实很常见。但电视转播能放两回就离谱
[–]【曼联】A_Brown_Passport 99 points 18 hours ago
It wasn't even in the background lol. The cameraman literally zoomed in for a face shot of him blowing it out...twice.
Like, why you gotta do this man like that?
他甚至都不是在背景画面里。摄像师真就放大焦距，把镜头直接怼到他脸上，给大家看他擤两次鼻涕。
场上真的没啥好播的么，你拍这干啥？
[–]【切尔西】samsop 25 points 18 hours ago
You can hear a player blow their nose on these mics but I can never make out what a manager is saying
球员擤鼻涕，声声入耳；教练喊战术，句句静音。
[–]【南安普顿】Superonkey101 335 points 18 hours ago
A game with some promise but really just a typical 0-0 in these “big” games. Too predictable. The quality on the ball was just terrible at times.
Stupid logic of “taking a point” is gonna cost some teams, both teams were there for the taking today.
备受期待的焦点战，然而又是一场典型的0-0“强强对话”。一点预测难度都没有。比赛质量有时候真是菜得抠脚。
我看总有些球队要栽在“一分知足”这种傻缺逻辑上，今天这场球双方都是奔着这目标来的。
[–]【联曼】DuanneOlivier 154 points 18 hours ago
The quality on the ball was just terrible at times.
That McTominay pass at the end...
比赛质量有时候真是菜得抠脚。
你瞧最后阶段麦克托米奈那球传得……
[–]【尤文图斯】AleDelPiero10 31 points 18 hours ago
Has there been one entertaining match between any of the top 4/6 this season? Every one that I’ve seen has been cheeks
这赛季这些前四/前六球队之间的比赛有过哪怕一场好看的吗？我看过的每一场都拉胯得很
[–]【阿森纳】IDontCareAboutGarage 94 points 18 hours ago
The Liverpool-Spurs "title decider" in December was pretty fun.
去年12月，利物浦与热刺的“冠军争夺战”倒是娱乐性拉满。
[–]DigBickLana 215 points 18 hours ago
Most big games this season have been quite good, it’s just Man Utd suck the life out of it in theirs
Man Utd 0-0 Chelsea
Man Utd 0-0 Man City
Liverpool 0-0 Man Utd
Chelsea 0-0 Man Utd
本赛季大多数强强对话还是不错的，主要就是曼联拉后腿
曼联 0-0 切尔西
曼联 0-0 曼城
利物浦 0-0 曼联
切尔西 0-0 曼联
[–]【阿森纳】kaprrisch 58 points 18 hours ago
0-0 and 0-1 with Arsenal too.
还有对阿森纳的0-0 和 0-1
[–]Halfpricemywhip 149 points 18 hours ago
Not a big game
审题，强强对话
[–]【曼联】D1794 51 points 18 hours ago
Game was really void of many clear cut chances for both sides. Thought we played well for a lot of the 1st half and sank in the 2nd half.
It was a penalty for me in the 1st half which probably gives us a completey different game. Annoying we keep blanking against our top 4 rivals.
本场比赛双方都没有什么太好的机会。我们上半场踢得挺好，然而下半场就萎靡不振了。
上半场那个禁区争议在我看来应该是个点球，如果判了的话那比赛走势肯定完全不一样。跟争四对手全交白卷，实在让人郁闷。
REPLAY：14' 切尔西禁区疑似手球，VAR判定无点球
[–]【切尔西】jMS_44 3013 points 21 hours ago
Regardless if that's a pen or no, how the fuck the ref allows Azpi and CHO stand next to him and watch the screen?
该不该判点球先搁一边，裁判是怎么会允许阿兹皮利奎塔和奥多伊站到他身边一起看回放屏幕的？
[–]battlefielder696 1410 points 21 hours ago
Remember when Suarez got a yellow for the same thing
我记得苏亚雷斯之前就因为同样的事情吃了张黄牌
[–]【曼联】bleepbleepboot 978 points 21 hours ago
You want consistency? Follow some other sport.we make up roles as we go
想要标准一致？去看其他体育项目吧。咱们这行业都是想起一出是一出的。
[–]【马竞】zts105 67 points 19 hours ago
thats the actually rule too. You aren't allowed to go over there and its a yellow card.
规则确实就是这样没错啊。裁判看回放的区域你当然不能过去，去了铁定给你发黄宝石卡。
[–]【曼联】xXDaNXx 361 points 19 hours ago
Was wondering the same thing, they're saying stuff to him as well. That's a yellow according to the rules. But this is the Premier League, where refereeing is made up and the rules don't matter.
我当时看到这一幕也挺纳闷，他俩甚至还跟裁判掰扯上了。按规则这就是妥妥的黄牌行为。然而这儿是英超，判罚都是浮云，规则有个屁用。
[–]【英格兰】BanterWithTheLadsYe 2087 points 20 hours ago
They're just making it up as they go along
判罚什么的，编一编也就出来了
[–]【曼联】Seb-sama 673 points 19 hours ago
English refs are utter fucking shit at their job.
英国裁判真就端着自己的饭碗给大家喂翔。
[–]【西雅图海湾人】johnwaters29 270 points 18 hours ago
Shot smacked at 100 mph, hit a defenders arm on the edge of a box? Pen. A seemingly intentional nudge of the ball with your hand? No pen. Makes uh...sense I guess
时速100英里的射门，击中站在禁区边缘的后卫手臂？点球。看似有意的手臂击球？不是点球。行吧，说得……通。
[–]【南安普顿】bastianevan 3468 points 20 hours ago
there’s the weekly rule change then
所以手球规则一周一变呗？
[–]【查塔努加FC】preddevils6 1028 points 20 hours ago
It changes match by match.
一场一变。
[–]Ickx-502 463 points 20 hours ago
Changes decision by decision, see Southampton vs Wolves
一哨一变，不信请看南安普顿对狼队那场
[–]OptaJoe_ 254 points 20 hours ago
Make rule : implement it with no logic
Get criticised and change it
Then go completely the other way next week and repeat this process throughout the season.
Boomerang.
制定规则：推动执行，然而毫无逻辑
遭受批评，马上更改
下一个比赛周完全按另一个标准执行，然后循环这个过程直至赛季结束。
周而复始。
[–]【阿森纳】AllISaidWasJehovah 185 points 19 hours ago
He clearly motioned towards the ball with his arm.
And he clearly touched the ball with his hand.
Two different players but apart from that it was fairly clear cut.
Seriously though...... what's the argument for this not being a penalty?
他（奥多伊）明显向皮球伸出了手臂。
而且他确实用手碰到了皮球。
镜头里是有两名不同的球员，但除此之外整个回放都非常清楚。
说实话……这还能争辩不是点球？
[–]【奥利恩特】O-V-N-R 62 points 18 hours ago
I assume he hasn't given it because Greenwood touched/knocked CHO's arm. Not sure if that's the right decision though - it looked a pretty light touch.
我估计裁判没判点球是因为格林伍德碰/撞到了奥多伊的手臂。当然我不确定这判罚对不对——双方手臂的接触很轻微就是了。
[–]【埃弗顿】aztecraingod 47 points 17 hours ago
I've been watching soccer for 25 years and I have zero idea when they'll call a handball and when they won't.
我看球已经25年了，然而我还是看不明白裁判啥时候会吹手球，啥时候又不会吹手球。
[–]【多特蒙德】BVBene 51 points 20 hours ago
No rule change, just a bad referee.
规则没改，不过是裁判差劲罢了。
[–]【中洛锡安哈茨】saltypenguin69 1406 points 20 hours ago
I don't understand the handball rule anymore
我再也搞不懂手球规则了
[–]bugleboy-of-companyb 424 points 20 hours ago
Everytime I think I understand it they make a decision like this and I'm scratching my head again.
每次我以为我搞懂规则的时候，他们就来这一出，然后我又得冥思苦想了。
[–]【布莱顿】45MonkeysInASuit 263 points 17 hours ago
Handball is when the ball hits the hand
but not just the hand, the arm is counted as part of the hand
but not the whole arm, just the bottom 2/3rds
but not when the arm is in a natural position
but only when the player doesn't have time to react
but not when you are an attacker, attackers get no time to react
and attackers dont have natural arm positions
but not when it is a thursday
or a late kick off on a sunday
or when the seconds on the clock are a prime number
but the shoulder does count if there were 3 cows on the parliament lawn on the wednesday before the last tuesday of last month
but all that only applies if the game features a team that is from north of london and if the game is taking place south of london. It's a different set of rules of it features a team from south of london and is taking place north of london.
皮球击中手部时应判罚手球
但是并非仅仅是手部，手臂同样视为手的一部分
但是并非手臂的全部，只是手臂的下三分之二部分
但是手臂处在自然位置时并不适用
但是仅在球员没有时间做出反应时适用
但是对于没有时间去反应的进攻球员并不适用
同时进攻球员的手臂也不存在自然位置
但是比赛在星期四举行时并不适用
星期日晚场比赛也不适用
时钟秒针指向质数时也不适用
但是如果上个月最后一个星期二之前的那个星期三，议会草坪上有3头奶牛的话，那么肩膀也视为手部
但是以上规则只有在比赛于南伦敦举行且有一方来自北伦敦时才会生效。如果比赛于北伦敦举行且有一方来自南伦敦的话，那就完全是另一套规则了。
[–]【利物浦】dj4y_94 248 points 20 hours ago
Just flip a coin everytime it happens mate, will make the same amount of sense.
老哥搞不懂没关系，每次有手球出现你就抛个硬币，效果和裁判吹罚是一样一样的。
[–]3359N 1452 points 20 hours ago
Replace referees with magic 8 balls imo, you'd get more logical and consistent decisions
把这些裁判换成神奇8号球，给出的判罚会更有逻辑性和一致性
（译注：神奇8号球是一种球类玩具，内有20个答案，问出问题，摇摇球体，它会随即给出一个答案。该玩具曾在《老友记》中出镜。）
[–]【切尔西】vaccines_melt_autism 378 points 18 hours ago
Ref: "Magic 8 Ball, was it a handball?"
Magic 8: "Better not tell you."
裁判：“神奇8号球，这是手球吗？”
神奇8号球：“还是不告诉你的好。”
[–]【阿森纳】chaboispaghetti 177 points 18 hours ago
Sounds like a prem ref
一听就是老英超裁判了
[–]【热刺】Goalnado 1851 points 20 hours ago*
Please, someone help this make sense, with everything else we've seen so far this season, how the fuck is that not a penalty?
Edit: Did anyone else enjoy the entire Chelsea team all appealing for a blatant handball when they thought it was Greenwood, only to turn around and start losing their shit when the ref actually went to review it? Classic stuff.
有没有好心人帮我捋捋这事？按照本赛季截至目前我们目睹的种种判罚，这特喵的怎么就不是个点球？
编辑：有人喜欢那一幕吗？一开始切尔西球员以为是格林伍德触球，全队都在嚷嚷要求判罚手球，结果裁判真去看回放的时候，他们又回身装作无事发生了。名场面啊。
[–]【曼联】LalleUtd 543 points 20 hours ago
Only one person knows. And tbh, I'm not really sure even he knows it.
（是不是点球）只有一个人知道。而老实讲，我还真不确定他知道。
[–]【曼联】Bombtwo 158 points 19 hours ago
I suspect the referee has let the play run on for too long after the incident, and giving the penalty would make him look like an absolute buffoon for missing it earlier.
依我看来，主裁在疑似手球之后任由比赛进行了过长的时间，如果真判点球的话，那之前忽视掉疑似手球的主裁自己不就像个傻X了吗。
[–]【曼联】MissingLink101 982 points 20 hours ago*
Hand at shoulder height. Staring at the ball. Plenty of time. Hits his hand.
That's a handball right?
手部与肩平齐。目视皮球。时间充足。球触手部。
这就是手球不是吗？
[–]【曼城】Faultyexistence 404 points 20 hours ago
No idea why it isn't.
我反正不知道为什么不算手球。
[–]【曼联】MissingLink101 220 points 20 hours ago
I've seen some say Greenwood forces his arm but from what I can see he's touched the ball before any contact with Greenwood (or at least destined to regardless)
我看见有人说是格林伍德把奥多伊的手臂撞过去碰到球的，但就我看到的情况而言，奥多伊在和格林伍德发生任何接触以前就已经手部触球了（或者至少注定会碰到球）
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