[英超传声筒]MD12 曼彻斯特既不是红色也不是蓝色，而是黄色！由传声筒 发表在足球话题区 https://bbs.hupu.com/topic
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ON： 曼联 0-0 曼城
[–]【曼城】citymanc13 792 points 13 hours ago
Lets never talk about this again:
City fans 🤝 United fans
说好了，咱们以后谁也不许提这事：
曼城球迷和曼联球迷握手言和
[–]glvcki17 183 points 13 hours ago
Talk about what?
提嘛事儿？
[–]CrunchieKane 80 points 13 hours ago
Nothing happened that.
今天嘛事儿没有。
[–]【圣诞老人FC】anip94 1170 points 13 hours ago
the fake crowd cheer during the final whistle was an absolute pisstake from sky hahaha
比赛结束时，天空体育播放的罐头观众欢呼声真的不是嘲讽吗，哈哈哈
[–]Hare712 261 points 13 hours ago
Sky should have switched the fake crowd cheer to booing the second half that would have been realistic.
天空体育应该在下半场把罐头欢呼声切换成嘘声，那样才符合实际嘛。
[–]【曼城】srtak23 1798 points 13 hours ago
Manchester is Blue(del) Red(del) Shite
曼彻斯特是一片蓝（划掉）一片红（划掉）一坨翔。
[–]【苏格兰挑战杯】Idislikemyroommate 1006 points 13 hours ago
Ah Mrs Di Maria has found reddit.
啊，原来迪马利亚夫人在足球区有号。
[–]cryppin_crypper 65 points 13 hours ago
and mrs romero
还有罗梅罗夫人
（译注：这两名球员的妻子都曾怒怼曼联）
[–]【巴萨】Barcaholic 218 points 13 hours ago
MOTM: The Final Whistle
本场最佳：终场哨
[–]【热刺】El_Producto 70 points 13 hours ago
ngl, it makes me a bit nervous that City and United are seen as having such iffy seasons when United is 4 points out of 1st and City is 5 points out of 1st. Feels like later on in the year one or both teams will be doing great (City more likely, obviously) and other top 4/title contenders will be ruing that City/United dropped so few points during their early struggles.
讲真，曼城和曼联本赛季说起来都有点发挥不稳，但实际上他魔离榜首也就4分之距，他城也就差5分而已，这让我还蛮紧张的。我感觉这赛季后段时，这两支队或者其中之一（显然，曼城的可能性更大）会愈战愈勇，而他俩在赛季初期的起伏阶段只丢了这么少的分，会让其他那些争四/争冠的对手懊恼的。
[–]【克罗地亚】Hrvat1818 513 points 13 hours ago
Fernandinho & Rodrigo just makes their midfield and attack so stale. Their attack looked so uninspiring and Pep never made an effort to change it
I guess he just really feared United’s counter ability, which City have mostly neutralized today. Almost seems like he was content with the draw
费尔南迪尼奥和罗德里让曼城的中场和进攻看起来暮气沉沉。他们的进攻了无生气，而瓜迪奥拉也压根没打算做点调整。
我觉得他是真担心曼联的防反，而他们今天其实已经把曼联的防反钳制住了。瓜帅对这场平局倒是一脸满足的样子。
[–]【切尔西】Rayser1 138 points 13 hours ago
So shocked foden didn't even get a sub appearance. I get that Fernandinho and Rodri are there to keep Bruno quiet but United weren't doing much in the second half. May as well let him try something
福登居然连替补出场的机会都没捞着，我也是惊了。我理解费鸟和罗德里是为了能冻结B-费尔南德斯，但是下半场曼联根本就没闹出啥动静。让他上去搞搞新花样也好嘛
[–]【曼城】The99Will 95 points 13 hours ago
I can't believe Pep was watching the same game that we were and didn't make a sub, unless he was perfectly happy to just, not lose? And I'm honestly so disappointed that we seem to have got to the point where we just don't want to lose.
我简直怀疑瓜帅在场边看的和我们看的是不是同一场比赛，他连换人都没换，也许他是真满足于不输当赢？我们居然已经到了只是不想输球的地步了，真令人失望。
[–]【曼联】demonictoaster 52 points 12 hours ago
What both teams were doing was working in neutralizing the other. Neither manager wanted to risk playing around and lose late on.
两队今晚就一直在互练接化发。双方主帅都不敢承担大举压上却城池失守的风险。
[–]【热刺】TigerBasket 209 points 13 hours ago
Playing for the draw is not something I expected from City
我心目中的曼城不该是以打平为目标的才对
[–]【曼联】aayu08 105 points 13 hours ago
They lost 3 times last season, and most of the times they conceded due to us tearing them on the counter. Pep basically sacrificed his midfield creativity for better stability against counters, and it worked very well.
Both teams mirrored each other in some sorts, Fred and McTominay were tasked to keep KdB quiet, and Fernandinho and Rodri were tasked to mark Fernandes all over the field.
他们上赛季败了三回，大部分时候他们的丢球都是因为我们在反击中撕开了他们的防线。瓜帅今天基本上是牺牲了中场创造力，换来更好应对反击的稳定性，效果也确实不错。
两队在某些方面可谓心有灵犀，弗雷德和麦克托米纳的任务就是盯死德布劳内，而费尔南迪尼奥与罗德里则被安排全场紧贴费尔南德斯。
[–]【曼城】srtak23 222 points 13 hours ago
Losing 3/4 derby's last year did this. Still that was such a cowardly mindset from Pep
去年4次德比跪了3次，不这么谨慎不行啊。但瓜帅这么搞还就蛮懦弱的。
[–]【曼城】blueradium 63 points 13 hours ago
Mourinho does it and it's a masterclass in pragmatic football, Pep does it and it's cowardly. Why such a massive difference in opinion? People wanted him adapt and have a plan B right? Apparently, he could never succeed for more than 3 years because he was stuck to one philosophy. Well this is him changing things. Surprised by how much people hate it.
穆里尼奥这么做就是实用足球的典范，瓜迪奥拉这么做就是懦弱。哪来这么大的差别对待？人们不是想要他适应现状，备好后手吗？很明显，就因为瓜帅执念于一种足球哲学，他执教期超过三年就辉煌不再。行吧，现在他有在做出改变了。然而这么多人却讨厌这种改变，真令人惊讶。
[–]【热刺】Coolbreeze_coys 127 points 12 hours ago
I mean if you wanna compare apples to apples, mourinho went to old trafford abs scored 6 lmao
要比咱就一碗水端平来比，同样是作客老特拉福德，穆里尼奥的球队可是进了6个球哦哈哈
[–]【西汉姆联】greg19735 31 points 12 hours ago
Spurs are built to counter attack though. And do it well.
City aren't.
热刺本来就是以防守反击为立身之本的嘛。而且很有一套。
曼城则不然。
[–]【利物浦】GetYourDijkOut 101 points 13 hours ago
United were basically the same with Mctominay and Fred. Both sides had 2 defensive mids which meant there was no intensity in midfield
曼联基本上跟曼城的策略类似，就是派麦克托米纳和弗雷德盯对方核心。两队都上了两名防守中场，这就意味着中场无战事。
[–]【曼联】Progressive_Maniac 71 points 13 hours ago
Fred was one of our better players in attacking play tonight, weirdly
弗雷德今晚居然是我魔进攻中发挥更好的球员之一，奇了怪了
[–]【曼联】Gatokar 577 points 13 hours ago
Everton-Chelsea will need to be 6-5 to make up for the rest of todays games
埃弗顿对切尔西那场不踢出个6-5来，今晚余下的赛事很难给球迷一个交代
[–]【热刺】TigerBasket 201 points 13 hours ago
86-85 just to be safe
稳妥起见，86-85吧
[–]【埃弗顿】ToffeesRocks 104 points 13 hours ago
Sorry guys we're playing 4 centrebacks, its gonna be a snoozefest.
Jk lol we're gonna get fucked
兄弟们抱歉了，我们会派上四中卫，催眠预定。
开玩笑的啦，求轻虐哦
[–]【切尔西】CabbageSex 41 points 13 hours ago
thats what you lot said when Big Dunc was at the wheel last season and im still suffering from that game
上赛季邓肯-弗格森执教你糖时你们也是这么说的，那场比赛到现在还折磨着我呢
[–]shadoassain 25 points 13 hours ago
Theres the Madrid derby.
隔壁不是还有马德里德比吗
[–]City-Gold 45 points 13 hours ago
Other than the Ronaldo hat trick, I can’t remember the last league derby that wasn’t 0-0, 1-0, or 1-1.
除开C罗的帽子戏法，我实在想不起马德里这哥俩有哪次德比不是以0-0、1-0或者1-1收场的了。
[–]【曼联】SomeIrishFiend 507 points 13 hours ago
Of all the Manchester derbies, that was one of them
在所有曼彻斯特德比之中，这便是其中一场
[–]【多特蒙德】-Jfree- 226 points 13 hours ago
this was one of the games i have ever seen
这是我所看过的比赛中的一场
[–]【曼联】lestat85 105 points 13 hours ago
When the history books look back on today, they’ll say that this was a football match.
当历史之书翻回到今天这一页时，人们会说这就是一场足球比赛。
[–]【法国】matthieuC 38 points 13 hours ago
22 players were on the field for about 90mn.
22名球员在球场上呆了多达90分钟。
[–]【曼联】ckj9311 61 points 13 hours ago
you could say both teams played today
你可以断言，双方在今晚都踢出了一场比赛
[–]Rhy60 527 points 13 hours ago
This is what happens when a stoppable force meets a moveable object
疲软之矛对决海绵之盾，就是这结局啦
[–]【曼联】OuchYouPokedMyHeart 290 points 13 hours ago
Consistently inconsistent vs inconsistently consistent
稳定的不稳定 vs 不稳定的稳定
[–]【阿森纳】mojambowhatisthescen 92 points 13 hours ago
I got bored.
And I’ve gotten used to watching us play.
这场球看得我百无聊赖。
别忘了我可是看惯我厂比赛的人。
[–]【利物浦】daibz 60 points 13 hours ago
Yeah but arsenal make it spicey but commiting a mistake every 2 mins
理是这么个理，但是阿森纳的比赛每隔2分钟会搞个醒瞌睡的失误啊
[–]hirkhunddayne 12 points 13 hours ago
I think tomorrow might finally cure my insomnia
明晚我的失眠症估计有望治愈了
ON：埃弗顿 1-0 切尔西
[–]【勒沃库森】SneakyBradley_ 865 points 10 hours ago
They might have had bigger wins but that's Everton's best performance all season for my money. Ultra organised and every player looked like they gave it everything.
Everton fans have got to love Allan, couple of years of this and he'll be a cult hero.
也许他糖已经拿下过更辉煌的胜利，但我打赌这就是埃弗顿本赛季最佳的表现。组织有条不紊，球员竭尽全力。
埃弗顿球迷一定会喜欢阿兰，他再这样打上几年准能成为球队英雄的。
[–]【利物浦】Elerion_ 211 points 10 hours ago
Michael Keane, Allan and DCL were all immense.
迈克尔-基恩、阿兰和勒温全都大显神威。
[–]【勒沃库森】SneakyBradley_ 104 points 10 hours ago
Doucoure and Godfrey too, all played perfectly to the game plan.
杜库雷和戈德弗雷也很棒，完美执行了比赛计划。
[–]【埃弗顿】Avancx 141 points 10 hours ago
Allan is a fucking godsend. He's like Gueye but he can actually pass well.
阿兰就特玛是天降大礼。他有点像盖耶，但他能实实在在传出好球。
[–]【那不勒斯】NightSpringsFan 224 points 10 hours ago
I miss him
拿波里人民想念阿兰仔
[–]【埃弗顿】Skypill 178 points 10 hours ago
He's brilliant, a bulldog in midfield dont think ive ever seen him not give 100%
他踢球很聪明，实属中场悍将，他总是付出自己的全部力量来帮助球队
[–]【利物浦】ijustwanttotalkboobs 536 points 10 hours ago
Fucking hell Michael Keane, take a bow son. Literally did not put a foot wrong the entire game. Won every header, tackle and interception.
迈克尔-基恩真特么牛叉，收下我的膝盖吧小子。整场比赛下来没有犯过一次错。头球、抢断、拦截，无所不能。
[–]【埃弗顿】RyanMc37_ 275 points 10 hours ago
He's been great since Carlo joined. Fuck knows what Carlo has said to him, but it's worked
安切洛蒂上任之后他就一直踢得不错。天知道安切洛蒂跟他面授了什么机宜，反正他就开窍了。
[–]【利物浦】lovablesnowman 158 points 10 hours ago*
It's the benefit of having a top class coach. He makes players play to their absolute best and shows off their strengths. See DCL also
这就是顶级教练的价值。他能让球员发挥出最佳水平，并且激发出他们的力量。看看勒温你就知道。
[–]【切尔西】masonbrit 344 points 10 hours ago
That was fucking dreadful. We honestly didn’t look like a coherent attacking threat for more than 3 minutes at a time. Thought the press looked slow, and none of our attackers wanted to drive at defenders which made defending really predictable for Everton. I hope one of Ziyech, CHO or Pulisics back soon.
今天简直糟透了。踢得有条理、形成进攻威胁，这种事我们最多只能保持3分钟而已。逼抢看上去慢慢悠悠，我们的前锋完全没去逼迫后卫，这让埃弗顿的后卫非常容易对防守动作做出预判。希望齐耶赫、奥多伊和普利西奇其中之一能尽快归队。
[–]【热刺】miner_andy 176 points 10 hours ago
The entire side outside Kante looked fatigued
除了坎特，全队看起来都是精疲力竭的样子
[–]【切尔西】NotClayMerritt 142 points 10 hours ago
Which is shocking considering all the rotation we've had the last two weeks.
考虑到过去两周我们进行的轮换，这种疲乏状况还挺让人震惊的。
[–]【利物浦】lordkeith 81 points 10 hours ago
Some days you just don't have it no matter how much rest you've had.
有些时候无论你休息了多久，出不了的状态就是出不了
[–]【切尔西】EnergetikNA 65 points 10 hours ago
We have no creativity, once again...
Pulisic/Ziyech/CHO all being out + Havertz still not having bounced back fully after COVID is just rough.
Havertz/Werner constantly forced into winger positions because of injuries.
Giroud was bad today too. Mount/James/Kovacic looked good in midfield/going forward but that's about it.
我们又一次丢失了创造力……
普利西奇/齐耶赫/奥多伊全部缺阵，哈弗茨染上新冠病毒并痊愈后一直没有完全恢复，实在太难了。
因为球队伤情，哈弗茨/维尔纳时不时就要改打边锋位置。
吉鲁今天也踢得稀烂。芒特/詹姆斯/科瓦契奇在中场和向前推进方面看起来还行，但也仅此而已。
[–]TonyMartial786 110 points 10 hours ago
Everton taking 7 points from Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool....
埃弗顿连过切尔西、热刺和利物浦三关豪取7分…
[–]【埃弗顿】wyatt1209 147 points 9 hours ago
And 1 from newcastle, leeds, and burnley...
然而在纽卡斯尔、利兹和伯恩利脚下哆里哆嗦捡了1分…
[–]【热刺】Mike_Stoklasa 476 points 10 hours ago
friendly reminder chelsea still have not beaten a top half side 12 games into the season
友情提示：截至本赛季英超第12轮，切尔西仍未击败任何一支积分榜上半区的球队。
[–]【马拉卡特高】papapapapapokerface 193 points 10 hours ago
https://footylabs.com/premierleague-fantasy/schedule-difficulty.html
They have the easiest schedule so far in the Premier League that's why, haven't played many good teams
英超打到现在，就属他车的赛程难度最低，你以为呢。他们也没踢多少强队。
[–]lickusmadingus 51 points 10 hours ago
Never heard of this tool. Very cool!
之前没见过这个赛程难度工具。挺酷！
[–]【热刺】bfm211 39 points 8 hours ago
They've still played Liverpool, Spurs, Man U, Southampton and Everton from the top 10 and not beaten any of them.
他们还是跟利物浦、热刺、曼联、南安普顿和埃弗顿这些前十球队交过手了，不过未尝一胜。
[–]【伊韦斯FC】Marathon1981 50 points 10 hours ago
Flat track bullies?
欺软怕硬？
[–]【热刺】gosickboy 29 points 10 hours ago
Rich flat track bullies.
欺软怕硬还有钱。
[–]【汉诺威96】InbredLegoExpress 15 points 9 hours ago
I mean, out of 25 goals they scored 22 against teams ranked 13-20.
他们到目前总共打进25球，其中22球是对排名13-20位的球队打进的。
[–]【切尔西】Monstermart 172 points 10 hours ago*
Man the worst part about losing these matches is having to go and do normal life shit afterward. Like I have to finish a paper for school but I’ve got zero motivation after watching a shit game like that.
关于输球这件事最难的地方在于，你不得不继续去完成生活中的各种琐事。像我就还有学校的论文要写，但看完这样的倒霉比赛之后，我是真的一点动力都没有了。
[–]【阿森纳】MuchSalt 146 points 10 hours ago
be thankful u not arsenal fan
偷着乐吧朋友，至少你不是阿森纳球迷
[–]【阿森纳】AlexBayArea 45 points 10 hours ago
If I am being honest. This current period we are going through actually has made me more productive if I am being honest. Right now, losses hurt a lot less than they did when we were expected to win games.
I mean every loss still hurts but I move on a lot faster than I used to.
假设我说的是心里话。假如我发自肺腑的话，我厂眼下的状况真的让我更加富有成效。比起当初我们对赢球还抱有期望的时候，如今球队失利给我们带来的痛苦已经不叫事儿了。
我的意思是，输球肯定还是不好受，但我从失利阴影中走出的速度比以前快多了。
[–]【埃弗顿】ToffeesRocks 27 points 10 hours ago
Just move on and forget about it mate. As an Ev we feel this all the time. Yall have a match in a few more days to bounce back. Chin up and Merry Xmas!
生活还是要继续的，忘了这场球吧朋友。作为埃弗顿球迷，我们在这方面可谓经验丰富。再过几天，再踢场球，你们又会反弹的。抬起头来，圣诞快乐！
ON： 阿森纳 0-1 伯恩利
[–]capicolasalami 652 points 16 hours ago
MOTM: the man in the stadium who put the mask over his eyes
全场最佳：观众席那个用口罩遮住眼睛的球迷
[–]【阿森纳】GadnukBreakerOfWrlds 370 points 16 hours ago
Mask over nose and mouth: Protects against Covid
Mask over eyes: Protects against watching this shite team play
Kudos to him for looking out for his health
口罩遮住口鼻：防止新冠病毒感染
口罩遮住双眼：防止烂队比赛辣眼
请为注重健康的这位老哥点赞
[–]Xanthiel 135 points 16 hours ago
To be fair he had it over his eyes, nose and mouth. Responsible for physical AND mental health of himself and others. That's why he's MoTM
公平地说，人家是把眼鼻口全都遮住了。既对自己的身心健康负责，也对他人负责。选他做全场最佳可谓实至名归。
[–]【阿森纳】BukakeFuneralService 429 points 16 hours ago
Wolves hadn't won away at Arsenal since the 70s: record broken
Burnley hadn't won away at Arsena since the 70s: record broken
Lost 4 consecutive home games since 1959
This Arsenal team are breaking records left and right. This is what the Arsenal way is. Truly
狼队自70年代起就再也没在客场赢过阿森纳：纪录已破
伯恩利自70年代起就再也没在客场赢过阿森纳：纪录已破
阿森纳上次主场四连败还要追溯到1959年
这支阿森纳真是啥纪录都能破啊。可以，这很阿森纳。真实。
[–]【阿森纳】marriott81 152 points 16 hours ago
Never been relegated from top flight football. Can't wait for that record to be broken at this rate.
我们还有一项纪录呢：从未自顶级足球联赛降级。按照眼下这个势头，这项纪录告破也是指日可待。
[–]Professor_Abronsius 1310 points 16 hours ago
Looking at the remaining fixtures of 2020 for Arsenal:
Southampton(H) Everton(A) Man City(H) Chelsea(H) Brighton(A)
I honestly can't see them winning any more matches this year as long as Arteta stays.
The way they're playing they'd be lucky to even get a point.
瞧瞧阿森纳2020年剩余的英超赛程吧：
南安普顿（H）埃弗顿（A）曼城（H）切尔西（H）布莱顿（A）
只要阿尔特塔还在位，今年他们怕是难求一胜了。
就他们那个踢法，能拿一分就该去烧高香。
[–]【埃弗顿】30SecsToMarsiling 3304 points 16 hours ago
Even the fixtures are laughing at Arsenal...
连赛程本身也在嘲笑阿森纳……
[–]lilbabyipad 311 points 16 hours ago
Thank you for making me laugh in this dire moment. lmfao
谢谢楼上，让我在这么严峻的时期还能乐得出来。笑得我腮帮子都酥了。
[–]【阿森纳】GadnukBreakerOfWrlds 262 points 16 hours ago
A draw vs Brighton is the only point I can think we can get.
苦平布莱顿估计是我厂能拿的唯一一分了。
[–]【曼城】poiuytrewqazxcvbnmi 348 points 16 hours ago
Good to see some optimism from an Arsenal fan here, that's the spirit!
阿森纳球迷的乐观精神实在令人佩服，做人就该这么厂亮！
[–]Powerful_Mousse 516 points 16 hours ago
Why are Arsenal fans mad? Aubameyang scored and Xhaka isn't going to start next game.
枪迷们有啥可气的？奥巴梅扬打破球荒，下场比赛扎卡也可以滚出首发了，双喜临门啊。
[–]【朝鲜】KimmyBoiUn 1206 points 16 hours ago
Has it ever been this bad for Arsenal in recent times?
The question for the Arsenal board is this:
Do you back a man with no track record, or do you try entice an Allegri, an elite manager who wants a job in England?
纵观近代足球，阿森纳有差劲到今天这种地步过吗？
阿森纳董事会需要面对这个问题：
你们是要力挺一个执教履历近乎空白的初哥，还是尝试邀请阿莱格里——一位对在英国执教颇有兴致的精英主帅？
[–]【热刺】cgurts 1927 points 16 hours ago
You do what all English clubs do when they're this shit in December: give Big Sam a call.
你厂就该像所有到十二月便已堕落至此的英格兰球队一样：给大山姆（阿勒代斯）打个电话。
[–]【阿森纳】Waguann 589 points 16 hours ago
He does love a relegation battle tbf
有一说一，他确实是保级大战发烧友
[–]【阿森纳】Diallingwand 401 points 16 hours ago
I just don't think Allegri would take the job. Why anyone would take such an obvious poisoned chalice?
我觉得阿莱格里不会来的。但凡脑子好使，谁会来接我厂这个烫手山芋呢？
[–]【阿森纳】meezy295 293 points 16 hours ago
I remember when I used to enjoy football
心若死灰的我就在这里，悲戚的目光望过去，都是自己曾经爱过足球的影子
[–]【阿森纳】blacksocksonly 235 points 16 hours ago
Didn't think I would miss the days of being 4th with Denilson and Bendtner in the squad
没想到我居然会怀念起队里还有德尼尔森和本特纳、大伙儿年年争四的岁月
[–]【热刺】El_Producto 401 points 98 hours ago
Wenger…in？
要不……请温格回来？
往期传声筒
#以下评论皆来自reddit
ON： 曼联 0-0 曼城
[–]【曼城】citymanc13 792 points 13 hours ago
Lets never talk about this again:
City fans 🤝 United fans
说好了，咱们以后谁也不许提这事：
曼城球迷和曼联球迷握手言和
[–]glvcki17 183 points 13 hours ago
Talk about what?
提嘛事儿？
[–]CrunchieKane 80 points 13 hours ago
Nothing happened that.
今天嘛事儿没有。
[–]【圣诞老人FC】anip94 1170 points 13 hours ago
the fake crowd cheer during the final whistle was an absolute pisstake from sky hahaha
比赛结束时，天空体育播放的罐头观众欢呼声真的不是嘲讽吗，哈哈哈
[–]Hare712 261 points 13 hours ago
Sky should have switched the fake crowd cheer to booing the second half that would have been realistic.
天空体育应该在下半场把罐头欢呼声切换成嘘声，那样才符合实际嘛。
[–]【曼城】srtak23 1798 points 13 hours ago
Manchester is Blue(del) Red(del) Shite
曼彻斯特是一片蓝（划掉）一片红（划掉）一坨翔。
[–]【苏格兰挑战杯】Idislikemyroommate 1006 points 13 hours ago
Ah Mrs Di Maria has found reddit.
啊，原来迪马利亚夫人在足球区有号。
[–]cryppin_crypper 65 points 13 hours ago
and mrs romero
还有罗梅罗夫人
（译注：这两名球员的妻子都曾怒怼曼联）
[–]【巴萨】Barcaholic 218 points 13 hours ago
MOTM: The Final Whistle
本场最佳：终场哨
[–]【热刺】El_Producto 70 points 13 hours ago
ngl, it makes me a bit nervous that City and United are seen as having such iffy seasons when United is 4 points out of 1st and City is 5 points out of 1st. Feels like later on in the year one or both teams will be doing great (City more likely, obviously) and other top 4/title contenders will be ruing that City/United dropped so few points during their early struggles.
讲真，曼城和曼联本赛季说起来都有点发挥不稳，但实际上他魔离榜首也就4分之距，他城也就差5分而已，这让我还蛮紧张的。我感觉这赛季后段时，这两支队或者其中之一（显然，曼城的可能性更大）会愈战愈勇，而他俩在赛季初期的起伏阶段只丢了这么少的分，会让其他那些争四/争冠的对手懊恼的。
[–]【克罗地亚】Hrvat1818 513 points 13 hours ago
Fernandinho & Rodrigo just makes their midfield and attack so stale. Their attack looked so uninspiring and Pep never made an effort to change it
I guess he just really feared United’s counter ability, which City have mostly neutralized today. Almost seems like he was content with the draw
费尔南迪尼奥和罗德里让曼城的中场和进攻看起来暮气沉沉。他们的进攻了无生气，而瓜迪奥拉也压根没打算做点调整。
我觉得他是真担心曼联的防反，而他们今天其实已经把曼联的防反钳制住了。瓜帅对这场平局倒是一脸满足的样子。
[–]【切尔西】Rayser1 138 points 13 hours ago
So shocked foden didn't even get a sub appearance. I get that Fernandinho and Rodri are there to keep Bruno quiet but United weren't doing much in the second half. May as well let him try something
福登居然连替补出场的机会都没捞着，我也是惊了。我理解费鸟和罗德里是为了能冻结B-费尔南德斯，但是下半场曼联根本就没闹出啥动静。让他上去搞搞新花样也好嘛
[–]【曼城】The99Will 95 points 13 hours ago
I can't believe Pep was watching the same game that we were and didn't make a sub, unless he was perfectly happy to just, not lose? And I'm honestly so disappointed that we seem to have got to the point where we just don't want to lose.
我简直怀疑瓜帅在场边看的和我们看的是不是同一场比赛，他连换人都没换，也许他是真满足于不输当赢？我们居然已经到了只是不想输球的地步了，真令人失望。
[–]【曼联】demonictoaster 52 points 12 hours ago
What both teams were doing was working in neutralizing the other. Neither manager wanted to risk playing around and lose late on.
两队今晚就一直在互练接化发。双方主帅都不敢承担大举压上却城池失守的风险。
[–]【热刺】TigerBasket 209 points 13 hours ago
Playing for the draw is not something I expected from City
我心目中的曼城不该是以打平为目标的才对
[–]【曼联】aayu08 105 points 13 hours ago
They lost 3 times last season, and most of the times they conceded due to us tearing them on the counter. Pep basically sacrificed his midfield creativity for better stability against counters, and it worked very well.
Both teams mirrored each other in some sorts, Fred and McTominay were tasked to keep KdB quiet, and Fernandinho and Rodri were tasked to mark Fernandes all over the field.
他们上赛季败了三回，大部分时候他们的丢球都是因为我们在反击中撕开了他们的防线。瓜帅今天基本上是牺牲了中场创造力，换来更好应对反击的稳定性，效果也确实不错。
两队在某些方面可谓心有灵犀，弗雷德和麦克托米纳的任务就是盯死德布劳内，而费尔南迪尼奥与罗德里则被安排全场紧贴费尔南德斯。
[–]【曼城】srtak23 222 points 13 hours ago
Losing 3/4 derby's last year did this. Still that was such a cowardly mindset from Pep
去年4次德比跪了3次，不这么谨慎不行啊。但瓜帅这么搞还就蛮懦弱的。
[–]【曼城】blueradium 63 points 13 hours ago
Mourinho does it and it's a masterclass in pragmatic football, Pep does it and it's cowardly. Why such a massive difference in opinion? People wanted him adapt and have a plan B right? Apparently, he could never succeed for more than 3 years because he was stuck to one philosophy. Well this is him changing things. Surprised by how much people hate it.
穆里尼奥这么做就是实用足球的典范，瓜迪奥拉这么做就是懦弱。哪来这么大的差别对待？人们不是想要他适应现状，备好后手吗？很明显，就因为瓜帅执念于一种足球哲学，他执教期超过三年就辉煌不再。行吧，现在他有在做出改变了。然而这么多人却讨厌这种改变，真令人惊讶。
[–]【热刺】Coolbreeze_coys 127 points 12 hours ago
I mean if you wanna compare apples to apples, mourinho went to old trafford abs scored 6 lmao
要比咱就一碗水端平来比，同样是作客老特拉福德，穆里尼奥的球队可是进了6个球哦哈哈
[–]【西汉姆联】greg19735 31 points 12 hours ago
Spurs are built to counter attack though. And do it well.
City aren't.
热刺本来就是以防守反击为立身之本的嘛。而且很有一套。
曼城则不然。
[–]【利物浦】GetYourDijkOut 101 points 13 hours ago
United were basically the same with Mctominay and Fred. Both sides had 2 defensive mids which meant there was no intensity in midfield
曼联基本上跟曼城的策略类似，就是派麦克托米纳和弗雷德盯对方核心。两队都上了两名防守中场，这就意味着中场无战事。
[–]【曼联】Progressive_Maniac 71 points 13 hours ago
Fred was one of our better players in attacking play tonight, weirdly
弗雷德今晚居然是我魔进攻中发挥更好的球员之一，奇了怪了
[–]【曼联】Gatokar 577 points 13 hours ago
Everton-Chelsea will need to be 6-5 to make up for the rest of todays games
埃弗顿对切尔西那场不踢出个6-5来，今晚余下的赛事很难给球迷一个交代
[–]【热刺】TigerBasket 201 points 13 hours ago
86-85 just to be safe
稳妥起见，86-85吧
[–]【埃弗顿】ToffeesRocks 104 points 13 hours ago
Sorry guys we're playing 4 centrebacks, its gonna be a snoozefest.
Jk lol we're gonna get fucked
兄弟们抱歉了，我们会派上四中卫，催眠预定。
开玩笑的啦，求轻虐哦
[–]【切尔西】CabbageSex 41 points 13 hours ago
thats what you lot said when Big Dunc was at the wheel last season and im still suffering from that game
上赛季邓肯-弗格森执教你糖时你们也是这么说的，那场比赛到现在还折磨着我呢
[–]shadoassain 25 points 13 hours ago
Theres the Madrid derby.
隔壁不是还有马德里德比吗
[–]City-Gold 45 points 13 hours ago
Other than the Ronaldo hat trick, I can’t remember the last league derby that wasn’t 0-0, 1-0, or 1-1.
除开C罗的帽子戏法，我实在想不起马德里这哥俩有哪次德比不是以0-0、1-0或者1-1收场的了。
[–]【曼联】SomeIrishFiend 507 points 13 hours ago
Of all the Manchester derbies, that was one of them
在所有曼彻斯特德比之中，这便是其中一场
[–]【多特蒙德】-Jfree- 226 points 13 hours ago
this was one of the games i have ever seen
这是我所看过的比赛中的一场
[–]【曼联】lestat85 105 points 13 hours ago
When the history books look back on today, they’ll say that this was a football match.
当历史之书翻回到今天这一页时，人们会说这就是一场足球比赛。
[–]【法国】matthieuC 38 points 13 hours ago
22 players were on the field for about 90mn.
22名球员在球场上呆了多达90分钟。
[–]【曼联】ckj9311 61 points 13 hours ago
you could say both teams played today
你可以断言，双方在今晚都踢出了一场比赛
[–]Rhy60 527 points 13 hours ago
This is what happens when a stoppable force meets a moveable object
疲软之矛对决海绵之盾，就是这结局啦
[–]【曼联】OuchYouPokedMyHeart 290 points 13 hours ago
Consistently inconsistent vs inconsistently consistent
稳定的不稳定 vs 不稳定的稳定
[–]【阿森纳】mojambowhatisthescen 92 points 13 hours ago
I got bored.
And I’ve gotten used to watching us play.
这场球看得我百无聊赖。
别忘了我可是看惯我厂比赛的人。
[–]【利物浦】daibz 60 points 13 hours ago
Yeah but arsenal make it spicey but commiting a mistake every 2 mins
理是这么个理，但是阿森纳的比赛每隔2分钟会搞个醒瞌睡的失误啊
[–]hirkhunddayne 12 points 13 hours ago
I think tomorrow might finally cure my insomnia
明晚我的失眠症估计有望治愈了
ON：埃弗顿 1-0 切尔西
[–]【勒沃库森】SneakyBradley_ 865 points 10 hours ago
They might have had bigger wins but that's Everton's best performance all season for my money. Ultra organised and every player looked like they gave it everything.
Everton fans have got to love Allan, couple of years of this and he'll be a cult hero.
也许他糖已经拿下过更辉煌的胜利，但我打赌这就是埃弗顿本赛季最佳的表现。组织有条不紊，球员竭尽全力。
埃弗顿球迷一定会喜欢阿兰，他再这样打上几年准能成为球队英雄的。
[–]【利物浦】Elerion_ 211 points 10 hours ago
Michael Keane, Allan and DCL were all immense.
迈克尔-基恩、阿兰和勒温全都大显神威。
[–]【勒沃库森】SneakyBradley_ 104 points 10 hours ago
Doucoure and Godfrey too, all played perfectly to the game plan.
杜库雷和戈德弗雷也很棒，完美执行了比赛计划。
[–]【埃弗顿】Avancx 141 points 10 hours ago
Allan is a fucking godsend. He's like Gueye but he can actually pass well.
阿兰就特玛是天降大礼。他有点像盖耶，但他能实实在在传出好球。
[–]【那不勒斯】NightSpringsFan 224 points 10 hours ago
I miss him
拿波里人民想念阿兰仔
[–]【埃弗顿】Skypill 178 points 10 hours ago
He's brilliant, a bulldog in midfield dont think ive ever seen him not give 100%
他踢球很聪明，实属中场悍将，他总是付出自己的全部力量来帮助球队
[–]【利物浦】ijustwanttotalkboobs 536 points 10 hours ago
Fucking hell Michael Keane, take a bow son. Literally did not put a foot wrong the entire game. Won every header, tackle and interception.
迈克尔-基恩真特么牛叉，收下我的膝盖吧小子。整场比赛下来没有犯过一次错。头球、抢断、拦截，无所不能。
[–]【埃弗顿】RyanMc37_ 275 points 10 hours ago
He's been great since Carlo joined. Fuck knows what Carlo has said to him, but it's worked
安切洛蒂上任之后他就一直踢得不错。天知道安切洛蒂跟他面授了什么机宜，反正他就开窍了。
[–]【利物浦】lovablesnowman 158 points 10 hours ago*
It's the benefit of having a top class coach. He makes players play to their absolute best and shows off their strengths. See DCL also
这就是顶级教练的价值。他能让球员发挥出最佳水平，并且激发出他们的力量。看看勒温你就知道。
[–]【切尔西】masonbrit 344 points 10 hours ago
That was fucking dreadful. We honestly didn’t look like a coherent attacking threat for more than 3 minutes at a time. Thought the press looked slow, and none of our attackers wanted to drive at defenders which made defending really predictable for Everton. I hope one of Ziyech, CHO or Pulisics back soon.
今天简直糟透了。踢得有条理、形成进攻威胁，这种事我们最多只能保持3分钟而已。逼抢看上去慢慢悠悠，我们的前锋完全没去逼迫后卫，这让埃弗顿的后卫非常容易对防守动作做出预判。希望齐耶赫、奥多伊和普利西奇其中之一能尽快归队。
[–]【热刺】miner_andy 176 points 10 hours ago
The entire side outside Kante looked fatigued
除了坎特，全队看起来都是精疲力竭的样子
[–]【切尔西】NotClayMerritt 142 points 10 hours ago
Which is shocking considering all the rotation we've had the last two weeks.
考虑到过去两周我们进行的轮换，这种疲乏状况还挺让人震惊的。
[–]【利物浦】lordkeith 81 points 10 hours ago
Some days you just don't have it no matter how much rest you've had.
有些时候无论你休息了多久，出不了的状态就是出不了
[–]【切尔西】EnergetikNA 65 points 10 hours ago
We have no creativity, once again...
Pulisic/Ziyech/CHO all being out + Havertz still not having bounced back fully after COVID is just rough.
Havertz/Werner constantly forced into winger positions because of injuries.
Giroud was bad today too. Mount/James/Kovacic looked good in midfield/going forward but that's about it.
我们又一次丢失了创造力……
普利西奇/齐耶赫/奥多伊全部缺阵，哈弗茨染上新冠病毒并痊愈后一直没有完全恢复，实在太难了。
因为球队伤情，哈弗茨/维尔纳时不时就要改打边锋位置。
吉鲁今天也踢得稀烂。芒特/詹姆斯/科瓦契奇在中场和向前推进方面看起来还行，但也仅此而已。
[–]TonyMartial786 110 points 10 hours ago
Everton taking 7 points from Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool....
埃弗顿连过切尔西、热刺和利物浦三关豪取7分…
[–]【埃弗顿】wyatt1209 147 points 9 hours ago
And 1 from newcastle, leeds, and burnley...
然而在纽卡斯尔、利兹和伯恩利脚下哆里哆嗦捡了1分…
[–]【热刺】Mike_Stoklasa 476 points 10 hours ago
friendly reminder chelsea still have not beaten a top half side 12 games into the season
友情提示：截至本赛季英超第12轮，切尔西仍未击败任何一支积分榜上半区的球队。
[–]【马拉卡特高】papapapapapokerface 193 points 10 hours ago
https://footylabs.com/premierleague-fantasy/schedule-difficulty.html
They have the easiest schedule so far in the Premier League that's why, haven't played many good teams
英超打到现在，就属他车的赛程难度最低，你以为呢。他们也没踢多少强队。
[–]lickusmadingus 51 points 10 hours ago
Never heard of this tool. Very cool!
之前没见过这个赛程难度工具。挺酷！
[–]【热刺】bfm211 39 points 8 hours ago
They've still played Liverpool, Spurs, Man U, Southampton and Everton from the top 10 and not beaten any of them.
他们还是跟利物浦、热刺、曼联、南安普顿和埃弗顿这些前十球队交过手了，不过未尝一胜。
[–]【伊韦斯FC】Marathon1981 50 points 10 hours ago
Flat track bullies?
欺软怕硬？
[–]【热刺】gosickboy 29 points 10 hours ago
Rich flat track bullies.
欺软怕硬还有钱。
[–]【汉诺威96】InbredLegoExpress 15 points 9 hours ago
I mean, out of 25 goals they scored 22 against teams ranked 13-20.
他们到目前总共打进25球，其中22球是对排名13-20位的球队打进的。
[–]【切尔西】Monstermart 172 points 10 hours ago*
Man the worst part about losing these matches is having to go and do normal life shit afterward. Like I have to finish a paper for school but I’ve got zero motivation after watching a shit game like that.
关于输球这件事最难的地方在于，你不得不继续去完成生活中的各种琐事。像我就还有学校的论文要写，但看完这样的倒霉比赛之后，我是真的一点动力都没有了。
[–]【阿森纳】MuchSalt 146 points 10 hours ago
be thankful u not arsenal fan
偷着乐吧朋友，至少你不是阿森纳球迷
[–]【阿森纳】AlexBayArea 45 points 10 hours ago
If I am being honest. This current period we are going through actually has made me more productive if I am being honest. Right now, losses hurt a lot less than they did when we were expected to win games.
I mean every loss still hurts but I move on a lot faster than I used to.
假设我说的是心里话。假如我发自肺腑的话，我厂眼下的状况真的让我更加富有成效。比起当初我们对赢球还抱有期望的时候，如今球队失利给我们带来的痛苦已经不叫事儿了。
我的意思是，输球肯定还是不好受，但我从失利阴影中走出的速度比以前快多了。
[–]【埃弗顿】ToffeesRocks 27 points 10 hours ago
Just move on and forget about it mate. As an Ev we feel this all the time. Yall have a match in a few more days to bounce back. Chin up and Merry Xmas!
生活还是要继续的，忘了这场球吧朋友。作为埃弗顿球迷，我们在这方面可谓经验丰富。再过几天，再踢场球，你们又会反弹的。抬起头来，圣诞快乐！
ON： 阿森纳 0-1 伯恩利
[–]capicolasalami 652 points 16 hours ago
MOTM: the man in the stadium who put the mask over his eyes
全场最佳：观众席那个用口罩遮住眼睛的球迷
[–]【阿森纳】GadnukBreakerOfWrlds 370 points 16 hours ago
Mask over nose and mouth: Protects against Covid
Mask over eyes: Protects against watching this shite team play
Kudos to him for looking out for his health
口罩遮住口鼻：防止新冠病毒感染
口罩遮住双眼：防止烂队比赛辣眼
请为注重健康的这位老哥点赞
[–]Xanthiel 135 points 16 hours ago
To be fair he had it over his eyes, nose and mouth. Responsible for physical AND mental health of himself and others. That's why he's MoTM
公平地说，人家是把眼鼻口全都遮住了。既对自己的身心健康负责，也对他人负责。选他做全场最佳可谓实至名归。
[–]【阿森纳】BukakeFuneralService 429 points 16 hours ago
Wolves hadn't won away at Arsenal since the 70s: record broken
Burnley hadn't won away at Arsena since the 70s: record broken
Lost 4 consecutive home games since 1959
This Arsenal team are breaking records left and right. This is what the Arsenal way is. Truly
狼队自70年代起就再也没在客场赢过阿森纳：纪录已破
伯恩利自70年代起就再也没在客场赢过阿森纳：纪录已破
阿森纳上次主场四连败还要追溯到1959年
这支阿森纳真是啥纪录都能破啊。可以，这很阿森纳。真实。
[–]【阿森纳】marriott81 152 points 16 hours ago
Never been relegated from top flight football. Can't wait for that record to be broken at this rate.
我们还有一项纪录呢：从未自顶级足球联赛降级。按照眼下这个势头，这项纪录告破也是指日可待。
[–]Professor_Abronsius 1310 points 16 hours ago
Looking at the remaining fixtures of 2020 for Arsenal:
Southampton(H) Everton(A) Man City(H) Chelsea(H) Brighton(A)
I honestly can't see them winning any more matches this year as long as Arteta stays.
The way they're playing they'd be lucky to even get a point.
瞧瞧阿森纳2020年剩余的英超赛程吧：
南安普顿（H）埃弗顿（A）曼城（H）切尔西（H）布莱顿（A）
只要阿尔特塔还在位，今年他们怕是难求一胜了。
就他们那个踢法，能拿一分就该去烧高香。
[–]【埃弗顿】30SecsToMarsiling 3304 points 16 hours ago
Even the fixtures are laughing at Arsenal...
连赛程本身也在嘲笑阿森纳……
[–]lilbabyipad 311 points 16 hours ago
Thank you for making me laugh in this dire moment. lmfao
谢谢楼上，让我在这么严峻的时期还能乐得出来。笑得我腮帮子都酥了。
[–]【阿森纳】GadnukBreakerOfWrlds 262 points 16 hours ago
A draw vs Brighton is the only point I can think we can get.
苦平布莱顿估计是我厂能拿的唯一一分了。
[–]【曼城】poiuytrewqazxcvbnmi 348 points 16 hours ago
Good to see some optimism from an Arsenal fan here, that's the spirit!
阿森纳球迷的乐观精神实在令人佩服，做人就该这么厂亮！
[–]Powerful_Mousse 516 points 16 hours ago
Why are Arsenal fans mad? Aubameyang scored and Xhaka isn't going to start next game.
枪迷们有啥可气的？奥巴梅扬打破球荒，下场比赛扎卡也可以滚出首发了，双喜临门啊。
[–]【朝鲜】KimmyBoiUn 1206 points 16 hours ago
Has it ever been this bad for Arsenal in recent times?
The question for the Arsenal board is this:
Do you back a man with no track record, or do you try entice an Allegri, an elite manager who wants a job in England?
纵观近代足球，阿森纳有差劲到今天这种地步过吗？
阿森纳董事会需要面对这个问题：
你们是要力挺一个执教履历近乎空白的初哥，还是尝试邀请阿莱格里——一位对在英国执教颇有兴致的精英主帅？
[–]【热刺】cgurts 1927 points 16 hours ago
You do what all English clubs do when they're this shit in December: give Big Sam a call.
你厂就该像所有到十二月便已堕落至此的英格兰球队一样：给大山姆（阿勒代斯）打个电话。
[–]【阿森纳】Waguann 589 points 16 hours ago
He does love a relegation battle tbf
有一说一，他确实是保级大战发烧友
[–]【阿森纳】Diallingwand 401 points 16 hours ago
I just don't think Allegri would take the job. Why anyone would take such an obvious poisoned chalice?
我觉得阿莱格里不会来的。但凡脑子好使，谁会来接我厂这个烫手山芋呢？
[–]【阿森纳】meezy295 293 points 16 hours ago
I remember when I used to enjoy football
心若死灰的我就在这里，悲戚的目光望过去，都是自己曾经爱过足球的影子
[–]【阿森纳】blacksocksonly 235 points 16 hours ago
Didn't think I would miss the days of being 4th with Denilson and Bendtner in the squad
没想到我居然会怀念起队里还有德尼尔森和本特纳、大伙儿年年争四的岁月
[–]【热刺】El_Producto 401 points 98 hours ago
Wenger…in？
要不……请温格回来？
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