[quote][b]引用37楼 @
糊涂阿蒙 发表的[/b]:
我确实不知道为什么,也不知道他会不会又大半年后顺便提起差不多的这么件事。
阿布扎比是夹在亚洲站中间的一站,排位快0.3,正赛先过线20秒。刨掉这场前后满打满算慢三个周末,一个赛季三个周末。
我不明白你为什么这么执着从队友比较的针眼里看其他人的任何观点。说最后一遍,我要说的是红牛/瓦特尔的所谓“高尚”里有的是真实惠。指责法拉利脏,到头来不过小脏尔尔。<div>
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</div><div>我不知道,以下这位设计过F1赛车的觉得他知道。或者你来告诉我一个你知道的?</div><div>
</div><div><span class="byline-name" itemprop="name" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 宋体; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); display: block; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); "><font size="2" face="微软雅黑">By Gary Anderson</font></span><font size="2" face="微软雅黑" style="color: rgb(18, 18, 18); background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); "><span class="byline-title" itemprop="jobTitle" style="color: rgb(79, 77, 75); ">BBC F1 technical analyst</span></font>
</div><div><h2 class="cross-head" style="margin: 20px 0px 16px; padding: 0px 0px 8px; font-size: 13px; font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-weight: normal; clear: left; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(220, 220, 220); ">Alonso and Ferrari</h2><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">There are two championships in Formula 1 - the constructors' and the drivers'.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">With Red Bull's two drivers, and their total commitment to development of the car, they certainly deserve to win constructors. But there is a sense that Vettel won the drivers' championship because the Red Bull was a better car than the Ferrari and was better developed.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">That's OK, because that's what happens, but if Alonso had won the championship it would have been a true drivers' championship because it would have been in a car that wasn't worthy of it.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">The Ferrari was really not very good at the start of the year but, in all the confusion the teams were having over how best to use the new Pirelli tyre, Alonso was able to pull some results out of it.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; "></p><p id="story_continues_2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">He was very good at picking up the characteristics of the tyre. He just knew what to do with it.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">The Pirellis don't like it when a driver tries to brake and turn in at the same time. Alonso picked that up in no time and adapted himself to it.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">So he was able to pull out some really good results even though the car wasn't competitive.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">Through Spain, Monaco and Canada, the Ferrari had a bit of an update that made it reasonable. That was really the package with which they should have started the season.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">From there on, it was down to Ferrari to find the solutions to the car's problems.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">It's strange that while Alonso's team-mate Felipe Massa was struggling with the car at the start of the year, he was able to drive it well at the end.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">Massa's biggest problem is probably that he over-drives the car - so he ends up making a lot of mistakes.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">But Ferrari's development direction through the season gave them a car Massa could drive and at that point Alonso fell back a bit, in terms of being able to use his talent to drag something out of the car.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">That suggests that initially they had a car with very peaky downforce but that if you had a driver who could feel it - ie Alonso - it was quicker relative to the opposition.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">It seems Ferrari made the car more driveable but lost out-and-out performance.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">They need to worry about having made Massa into as good a driver as Alonso. I believe Alonso is better, so it's strange that is the case.</p></div>[/quote]
这个人的看法跟我的猜测是一样的。
[quote][b]引用37楼 @
糊涂阿蒙 发表的[/b]:
我确实不知道为什么,也不知道他会不会又大半年后顺便提起差不多的这么件事。
阿布扎比是夹在亚洲站中间的一站,排位快0.3,正赛先过线20秒。刨掉这场前后满打满算慢三个周末,一个赛季三个周末。
我不明白你为什么这么执着从队友比较的针眼里看其他人的任何观点。说最后一遍,我要说的是红牛/瓦特尔的所谓“高尚”里有的是真实惠。指责法拉利脏,到头来不过小脏尔尔。<div>
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</div><div>我不知道,以下这位设计过F1赛车的觉得他知道。或者你来告诉我一个你知道的?</div><div>
</div><div><span class="byline-name" itemprop="name" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 宋体; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); display: block; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); "><font size="2" face="微软雅黑">By Gary Anderson</font></span><font size="2" face="微软雅黑" style="color: rgb(18, 18, 18); background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); "><span class="byline-title" itemprop="jobTitle" style="color: rgb(79, 77, 75); ">BBC F1 technical analyst</span></font>
</div><div><h2 class="cross-head" style="margin: 20px 0px 16px; padding: 0px 0px 8px; font-size: 13px; font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-weight: normal; clear: left; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(220, 220, 220); ">Alonso and Ferrari</h2><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">There are two championships in Formula 1 - the constructors' and the drivers'.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">With Red Bull's two drivers, and their total commitment to development of the car, they certainly deserve to win constructors. But there is a sense that Vettel won the drivers' championship because the Red Bull was a better car than the Ferrari and was better developed.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">That's OK, because that's what happens, but if Alonso had won the championship it would have been a true drivers' championship because it would have been in a car that wasn't worthy of it.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">The Ferrari was really not very good at the start of the year but, in all the confusion the teams were having over how best to use the new Pirelli tyre, Alonso was able to pull some results out of it.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; "></p><p id="story_continues_2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">He was very good at picking up the characteristics of the tyre. He just knew what to do with it.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">The Pirellis don't like it when a driver tries to brake and turn in at the same time. Alonso picked that up in no time and adapted himself to it.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">So he was able to pull out some really good results even though the car wasn't competitive.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">Through Spain, Monaco and Canada, the Ferrari had a bit of an update that made it reasonable. That was really the package with which they should have started the season.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">From there on, it was down to Ferrari to find the solutions to the car's problems.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">It's strange that while Alonso's team-mate Felipe Massa was struggling with the car at the start of the year, he was able to drive it well at the end.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">Massa's biggest problem is probably that he over-drives the car - so he ends up making a lot of mistakes.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">But Ferrari's development direction through the season gave them a car Massa could drive and at that point Alonso fell back a bit, in terms of being able to use his talent to drag something out of the car.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">That suggests that initially they had a car with very peaky downforce but that if you had a driver who could feel it - ie Alonso - it was quicker relative to the opposition.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">It seems Ferrari made the car more driveable but lost out-and-out performance.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 12px; color: rgb(79, 77, 75); font-family: 微软雅黑; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); font-size: small; ">They need to worry about having made Massa into as good a driver as Alonso. I believe Alonso is better, so it's strange that is the case.</p></div>[/quote]
这个人的看法跟我的猜测是一样的。