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要整体看的话，你们的知识储备，了解程度也不足以支撑所谓的“对整体下结论”
因为你们只熟悉现代球员，并不熟悉之前的，何来比较。
所以要么自己去充分了解，要么听同时了解两个时代的人总结
整体来看，乔丹那代球员在低位，中距离的技术上就是要比现在好，特别是低位，基本人人都具备低位翻身，转身，勾手。而现代球员的在三分远投更好，运球华丽度自由度上更好
要整体看的话，你们的知识储备，了解程度也不足以支撑所谓的“对整体下结论”
因为你们只熟悉现代球员，并不熟悉之前的，何来比较。
所以要么自己去充分了解，要么听同时了解两个时代的人总结
而现代球员的在三分远投更好，运球华丽度自由度上更好
我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
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引用 @新城第一扣将 发表的:
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我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
60年代对翻碗的严格程度比80年代还严，但你看同期哈林篮球队那种无限制的运球，一样华丽自由流畅，这就是规则尺度的区别。
另外，去仔细看19楼的那张表，现在强的是攻击型双能卫，控卫双能卫化了
但分卫和小前锋两个位置的整体攻击力，是之前更好
另外，去仔细看19楼的那张表，现在强的是攻击型双能卫，控卫双能卫化了
但分卫和小前锋两个位置的整体攻击力，是之前更好
60年代对翻碗的严格程度比80年代还严，但你看同期哈林篮球队那种无限制的运球，一样华丽自由流畅，这就是规则尺度的区别。
另外，去仔细看19楼的那张表，现在强的是攻击型双能卫，控卫双能卫化了
但分卫和小前锋两个位置的整体攻击力，是之前更好
另外，去仔细看19楼的那张表，现在强的是攻击型双能卫，控卫双能卫化了
但分卫和小前锋两个位置的整体攻击力，是之前更好
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引用 @新城第一扣将 发表的:
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我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
你想知道为何比赛风格会改变， NBA官方告诉你，他们制定规则，他们清楚改规则后的风格变化
NBA官方说的很清楚，削弱外线对抗，让突破更自由导致轮转更难，需要更多补，而更多补又会造成更多外线空档，难以轮转，给外线投篮巨大空档，为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势，所以在配置上更多用三分射手，同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。
这么一来二去，三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手，让他们有更多的1对1和空间。
这才是前因后果和逻辑原因，给外线打法开绿灯，是一切的源头和开始。
而为何给外线开绿灯，就是乔丹在90年代的成功，让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba，持续吸引球迷，持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。
当时制定规则联盟副总裁斯图杰克逊的采访
NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?
SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.
提问：自从04~05年修改规则 ，比赛变的开放，球员们开放式的突破，结果来说，分数每年都在增加，这些在04年都被预计到了么？
回答：不，增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手，前臂，身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些，我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破，就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮，他们会投进更多。
NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?
SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.
提问：自从修改规则后，篮下，近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶，特别是 三分命中率。
回答：不，随着规则的改变，防守突破要难的多，防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破，控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器，所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。
NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?
SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.
NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?
SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.
提问：现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益？举个例子，侧翼和前场球员。
回答：它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么，如果球员空间拉开更大，更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外，因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手，他就有更多的空间在低位单打。
NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?
SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.
提问：在现在的环境下，教练们会怎么样调整？他们现在做的有哪些不同
回答：教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术，2人当差。不过要执行这些，他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。
SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.
提问：自从04~05年修改规则 ，比赛变的开放，球员们开放式的突破，结果来说，分数每年都在增加，这些在04年都被预计到了么？
回答：不，增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手，前臂，身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些，我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破，就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮，他们会投进更多。
NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?
SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.
提问：自从修改规则后，篮下，近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶，特别是 三分命中率。
回答：不，随着规则的改变，防守突破要难的多，防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破，控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器，所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。
NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?
SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.
NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?
SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.
提问：现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益？举个例子，侧翼和前场球员。
回答：它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么，如果球员空间拉开更大，更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外，因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手，他就有更多的空间在低位单打。
NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?
SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.
提问：在现在的环境下，教练们会怎么样调整？他们现在做的有哪些不同
回答：教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术，2人当差。不过要执行这些，他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。
NBA官方说的很清楚，削弱外线对抗，让突破更自由导致轮转更难，需要更多补，而更多补又会造成更多外线空档，难以轮转，给外线投篮巨大空档，为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势，所以在配置上更多用三分射手，同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。
这么一来二去，三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手，让他们有更多的1对1和空间。
这才是前因后果和逻辑原因，给外线打法开绿灯，是一切的源头和开始。
而为何给外线开绿灯，就是乔丹在90年代的成功，让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba，持续吸引球迷，持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。
你想知道为何比赛风格会改变， NBA官方告诉你，他们制定规则，他们清楚改规则后的风格变化
NBA官方说的很清楚，削弱外线对抗，让突破更自由导致轮转更难，需要更多补，而更多补又会造成更多外线空档，难以轮转，给外线投篮巨大空档，为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势，所以在配置上更多用三分射手，同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。
这么一来二去，三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手，让他们有更多的1对1和空间。
这才是前因后果和逻辑原因，给外线打法开绿灯，是一切的源头和开始。
而为何给外线开绿灯，就是乔丹在90年代的成功，让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba，持续吸引球迷，持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。
当时制定规则联盟副总裁斯图杰克逊的采访
NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?
SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.
提问：自从04~05年修改规则 ，比赛变的开放，球员们开放式的突破，结果来说，分数每年都在增加，这些在04年都被预计到了么？
回答：不，增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手，前臂，身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些，我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破，就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮，他们会投进更多。
NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?
SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.
提问：自从修改规则后，篮下，近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶，特别是 三分命中率。
回答：不，随着规则的改变，防守突破要难的多，防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破，控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器，所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。
NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?
SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.
NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?
SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.
提问：现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益？举个例子，侧翼和前场球员。
回答：它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么，如果球员空间拉开更大，更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外，因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手，他就有更多的空间在低位单打。
NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?
SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.
提问：在现在的环境下，教练们会怎么样调整？他们现在做的有哪些不同
回答：教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术，2人当差。不过要执行这些，他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。
SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.
提问：自从04~05年修改规则 ，比赛变的开放，球员们开放式的突破，结果来说，分数每年都在增加，这些在04年都被预计到了么？
回答：不，增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手，前臂，身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些，我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破，就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮，他们会投进更多。
NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?
SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.
提问：自从修改规则后，篮下，近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶，特别是 三分命中率。
回答：不，随着规则的改变，防守突破要难的多，防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破，控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器，所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。
NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?
SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.
NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?
SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.
提问：现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益？举个例子，侧翼和前场球员。
回答：它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么，如果球员空间拉开更大，更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外，因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手，他就有更多的空间在低位单打。
NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?
SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.
提问：在现在的环境下，教练们会怎么样调整？他们现在做的有哪些不同
回答：教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术，2人当差。不过要执行这些，他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。
NBA官方说的很清楚，削弱外线对抗，让突破更自由导致轮转更难，需要更多补，而更多补又会造成更多外线空档，难以轮转，给外线投篮巨大空档，为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势，所以在配置上更多用三分射手，同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。
这么一来二去，三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手，让他们有更多的1对1和空间。
这才是前因后果和逻辑原因，给外线打法开绿灯，是一切的源头和开始。
而为何给外线开绿灯，就是乔丹在90年代的成功，让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba，持续吸引球迷，持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。
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我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
所以近代nba的变化，本质是nba为了经济和市场，通过给外线打法开绿灯，在规则上进行市场调控后，把进攻体系从之前的偏内打法往偏外打法转移。
本质不是内线和外线，而是内线打法和外线打法的转移，所以即便是现在的顶尖内线打法都外线化了。
整个进攻全重转移到了外线打法，那么挡拆+三分就是主战术，球权空前的集中在了持球型外线手里，也就是1~3号位里的持球大拿，并且成为一个整体化的趋势。
所以他们集得分+传球为一体，不象之前，可能只有得分权，或者只有传球，而是空前的集权，然后一把抓的人越来越多。
本质不是内线和外线，而是内线打法和外线打法的转移，所以即便是现在的顶尖内线打法都外线化了。
整个进攻全重转移到了外线打法，那么挡拆+三分就是主战术，球权空前的集中在了持球型外线手里，也就是1~3号位里的持球大拿，并且成为一个整体化的趋势。
所以他们集得分+传球为一体，不象之前，可能只有得分权，或者只有传球，而是空前的集权，然后一把抓的人越来越多。
所以近代nba的变化，本质是nba为了经济和市场，通过给外线打法开绿灯，在规则上进行市场调控后，把进攻体系从之前的偏内打法往偏外打法转移。
本质不是内线和外线，而是内线打法和外线打法的转移，所以即便是现在的顶尖内线打法都外线化了。
整个进攻全重转移到了外线打法，那么挡拆+三分就是主战术，球权空前的集中在了持球型外线手里，也就是1~3号位里的持球大拿，并且成为一个整体化的趋势。
所以他们集得分+传球为一体，不象之前，可能只有得分权，或者只有传球，而是空前的集权，然后一把抓的人越来越多。
本质不是内线和外线，而是内线打法和外线打法的转移，所以即便是现在的顶尖内线打法都外线化了。
整个进攻全重转移到了外线打法，那么挡拆+三分就是主战术，球权空前的集中在了持球型外线手里，也就是1~3号位里的持球大拿，并且成为一个整体化的趋势。
所以他们集得分+传球为一体，不象之前，可能只有得分权，或者只有传球，而是空前的集权，然后一把抓的人越来越多。
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肖华上任之后裁判吹的严一点，确实不利于观赏性。但我不认同某些名宿吹逼说现在这尺度我能场均40+，我甚至认为他们会被三分投崩掉
肖华上任之后裁判吹的严一点，确实不利于观赏性。但我不认同某些名宿吹逼说现在这尺度我能场均40+，我甚至认为他们会被三分投崩掉
所以那些名宿，动不动就说这尺度多少多少分的底气，根本不光在啥尺度上
而是整个尺度对现代篮球产生的一些系列对进攻体系的连锁反应下，对外线核心持球大拿的整体环境的优化
更少的对抗，更集中的球权，更大的空间，更少的包夹，更好的刷助攻僚机(现代射手群)
对比之前，更多的对抗，更分散的球权，更小的空间，更多的多的包夹，更困难的刷助攻环境。
人当然会觉得我在一个更困难的环境里都这样了，在更好的一系列条件下当然会做的好的多
所以那些名宿，动不动就说这尺度多少多少分的底气，根本不光在啥尺度上
而是整个尺度对现代篮球产生的一些系列对进攻体系的连锁反应下，对外线核心持球大拿的整体环境的优化
更少的对抗，更集中的球权，更大的空间，更少的包夹，更好的刷助攻僚机(现代射手群)
对比之前，更多的对抗，更分散的球权，更小的空间，更多的多的包夹，更困难的刷助攻环境。
人当然会觉得我在一个更困难的环境里都这样了，在更好的一系列条件下当然会做的好的多
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所以那些名宿，动不动就说这尺度多少多少分的底气，根本不光在啥尺度上
而是整个尺度对现代篮球产生的一些系列对进攻体系的连锁反应下，对外线核心持球大拿的整体环境的优化
更少的对抗，更集中的球权，更大的空间，更少的包夹，更好的刷助攻僚机(现代射手群)
对比之前，更多的对抗，更分散的球权，更小的空间，更多的多的包夹，更困难的刷助攻环境。
人当然会觉得我在一个更困难的环境里都这样了，在更好的一系列条件下当然会做的好的多
所以那些名宿，动不动就说这尺度多少多少分的底气，根本不光在啥尺度上
而是整个尺度对现代篮球产生的一些系列对进攻体系的连锁反应下，对外线核心持球大拿的整体环境的优化
更少的对抗，更集中的球权，更大的空间，更少的包夹，更好的刷助攻僚机(现代射手群)
对比之前，更多的对抗，更分散的球权，更小的空间，更多的多的包夹，更困难的刷助攻环境。
人当然会觉得我在一个更困难的环境里都这样了，在更好的一系列条件下当然会做的好的多
强如杜兰特四届得分王都没能在这个时代拿35+，我真不认为那些远古名宿能拿到。有时候想得太理所当然了，没那么容易的
强如杜兰特四届得分王都没能在这个时代拿35+，我真不认为那些远古名宿能拿到。有时候想得太理所当然了，没那么容易的
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我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
我甚至看过黑白颜色的远古集锦，那些人运球都不太流畅，大帅像打小朋友一样。我认为从篮球史来看各方面都是一直进步。对比80.90年代如今内线弱了，外线强了
说到魔术师，人根本不会象现在持球大拿那样，大量在弧顶连续ISO变向跨下
人更注重转身，特别是不减速转身
或者直接要位，或转身，或勾手
说到魔术师，人根本不会象现在持球大拿那样，大量在弧顶连续ISO变向跨下
人更注重转身，特别是不减速转身
或者直接要位，或转身，或勾手
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强如杜兰特四届得分王都没能在这个时代拿35+，我真不认为那些远古名宿能拿到。有时候想得太理所当然了，没那么容易的
强如杜兰特四届得分王都没能在这个时代拿35+，我真不认为那些远古名宿能拿到。有时候想得太理所当然了，没那么容易的
杜兰特得分最猛的时候没赶上小球时代，而且雷霆本身在这个时代空间便秘，所以他不曾拥有极值空间，而拥有极值空间的时候，球权又被库里这个持球大拿分散，之后又伤了。
如果在他的巅峰时期，给他配不太需要球权的射手，同时球队足够弱，需要他这么做
综合这些条件同时达成的话，不考虑他的体力输出，还是很有戏的
如果在他的巅峰时期，给他配不太需要球权的射手，同时球队足够弱，需要他这么做
综合这些条件同时达成的话，不考虑他的体力输出，还是很有戏的
杜兰特得分最猛的时候没赶上小球时代，而且雷霆本身在这个时代空间便秘，所以他不曾拥有极值空间，而拥有极值空间的时候，球权又被库里这个持球大拿分散，之后又伤了。
如果在他的巅峰时期，给他配不太需要球权的射手，同时球队足够弱，需要他这么做
综合这些条件同时达成的话，不考虑他的体力输出，还是很有戏的
如果在他的巅峰时期，给他配不太需要球权的射手，同时球队足够弱，需要他这么做
综合这些条件同时达成的话，不考虑他的体力输出，还是很有戏的
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你想知道为何比赛风格会改变， NBA官方告诉你，他们制定规则，他们清楚改规则后的风格变化
当时制定规则联盟副总裁斯图杰克逊的采访
NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.提问：自从04~05年修改规则 ，比赛变的开放，球员们开放式的突破，结果来说，分数每年都在增加，这些在04年都被预计到了么？回答：不，增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手，前臂，身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些，我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破，就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮，他们会投进更多。NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.提问：自从修改规则后，篮下，近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶，特别是 三分命中率。回答：不，随着规则的改变，防守突破要难的多，防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破，控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器，所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.提问：现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益？举个例子，侧翼和前场球员。回答：它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么，如果球员空间拉开更大，更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外，因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手，他就有更多的空间在低位单打。NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.提问：在现在的环境下，教练们会怎么样调整？他们现在做的有哪些不同回答：教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术，2人当差。不过要执行这些，他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。
NBA官方说的很清楚，削弱外线对抗，让突破更自由导致轮转更难，需要更多补，而更多补又会造成更多外线空档，难以轮转，给外线投篮巨大空档，为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势，所以在配置上更多用三分射手，同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。
这么一来二去，三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手，让他们有更多的1对1和空间。
这才是前因后果和逻辑原因，给外线打法开绿灯，是一切的源头和开始。
而为何给外线开绿灯，就是乔丹在90年代的成功，让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba，持续吸引球迷，持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。
你想知道为何比赛风格会改变， NBA官方告诉你，他们制定规则，他们清楚改规则后的风格变化
NBA官方说的很清楚，削弱外线对抗，让突破更自由导致轮转更难，需要更多补，而更多补又会造成更多外线空档，难以轮转，给外线投篮巨大空档，为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势，所以在配置上更多用三分射手，同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。
这么一来二去，三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手，让他们有更多的1对1和空间。
这才是前因后果和逻辑原因，给外线打法开绿灯，是一切的源头和开始。
而为何给外线开绿灯，就是乔丹在90年代的成功，让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba，持续吸引球迷，持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。
当时制定规则联盟副总裁斯图杰克逊的采访
NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?
SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.
提问：自从04~05年修改规则 ，比赛变的开放，球员们开放式的突破，结果来说，分数每年都在增加，这些在04年都被预计到了么？
回答：不，增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手，前臂，身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些，我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破，就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮，他们会投进更多。
NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?
SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.
提问：自从修改规则后，篮下，近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶，特别是 三分命中率。
回答：不，随着规则的改变，防守突破要难的多，防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破，控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器，所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。
NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?
SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.
NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?
SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.
提问：现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益？举个例子，侧翼和前场球员。
回答：它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么，如果球员空间拉开更大，更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外，因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手，他就有更多的空间在低位单打。
NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?
SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.
提问：在现在的环境下，教练们会怎么样调整？他们现在做的有哪些不同
回答：教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术，2人当差。不过要执行这些，他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。
SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.
提问：自从04~05年修改规则 ，比赛变的开放，球员们开放式的突破，结果来说，分数每年都在增加，这些在04年都被预计到了么？
回答：不，增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手，前臂，身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些，我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破，就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮，他们会投进更多。
NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?
SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.
提问：自从修改规则后，篮下，近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶，特别是 三分命中率。
回答：不，随着规则的改变，防守突破要难的多，防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破，控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器，所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。
NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?
SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.
NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?
SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.
提问：现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益？举个例子，侧翼和前场球员。
回答：它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么，如果球员空间拉开更大，更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外，因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手，他就有更多的空间在低位单打。
NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?
SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.
提问：在现在的环境下，教练们会怎么样调整？他们现在做的有哪些不同
回答：教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术，2人当差。不过要执行这些，他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。
NBA官方说的很清楚，削弱外线对抗，让突破更自由导致轮转更难，需要更多补，而更多补又会造成更多外线空档，难以轮转，给外线投篮巨大空档，为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势，所以在配置上更多用三分射手，同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。
这么一来二去，三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手，让他们有更多的1对1和空间。
这才是前因后果和逻辑原因，给外线打法开绿灯，是一切的源头和开始。
而为何给外线开绿灯，就是乔丹在90年代的成功，让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba，持续吸引球迷，持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。
所以乔丹在现在只会更强，现在场均40真的轻松
所以乔丹在现在只会更强，现在场均40真的轻松
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说到魔术师，人根本不会象现在持球大拿那样，大量在弧顶连续ISO变向跨下
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人更注重转身，特别是不减速转身
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说到魔术师，人根本不会象现在持球大拿那样，大量在弧顶连续ISO变向跨下
人更注重转身，特别是不减速转身
或者直接要位，或转身，或勾手
大哥你是真的强啊，看出来很有研究🐮🍺
大哥你是真的强啊，看出来很有研究🐮🍺
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你说的没问题，因为现在的球员学了前辈的技术，自己也打磨新的技术跟战术，甚至联盟球风都改变了，参考15,16库里的勇士，以后的新秀肯定也会学现在的球星的技术。就是远古吹无脑贬低现在球员令人反感，例如什么乔丹在这个年代能场均拿50分
你说的没问题，因为现在的球员学了前辈的技术，自己也打磨新的技术跟战术，甚至联盟球风都改变了，参考15,16库里的勇士，以后的新秀肯定也会学现在的球星的技术。就是远古吹无脑贬低现在球员令人反感，例如什么乔丹在这个年代能场均拿50分
作为一个花了钱买了高清重制的乔丹录像的球迷，我只想说乔丹到这个时代依然会很强，哪怕直接空降也是，但是50分？这种属于幻想，乔丹的三分能力也比不过如今的很多射手，即便给予乔丹他们的三分能力，当一个球员得分多的时候那么包夹自然会加大力度，场均50分需要的出手和上场时间会把乔丹的体能榨干到各种伤病、丢失技能
作为一个花了钱买了高清重制的乔丹录像的球迷，我只想说乔丹到这个时代依然会很强，哪怕直接空降也是，但是50分？这种属于幻想，乔丹的三分能力也比不过如今的很多射手，即便给予乔丹他们的三分能力，当一个球员得分多的时候那么包夹自然会加大力度，场均50分需要的出手和上场时间会把乔丹的体能榨干到各种伤病、丢失技能
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其实前代球星对转身的运用都非常娴熟，因为那是在近身支腰防守更多的环境里相比面筐变向大量运球更为实用的突破技巧
隐蔽性强，迷惑性强，突然性强，空间要求小。
其实前代球星对转身的运用都非常娴熟，因为那是在近身支腰防守更多的环境里相比面筐变向大量运球更为实用的突破技巧
隐蔽性强，迷惑性强，突然性强，空间要求小。
隐蔽性强，迷惑性强，突然性强，空间要求小。
所以我主贴的意思就是，现在球员学习前辈的同时，得到更科学的饮食跟训练，技术层面得到提升了。结果被集锦迷喷说以前的人技术更好才来发帖求解，虎扑懂球的老哥更多
所以我主贴的意思就是，现在球员学习前辈的同时，得到更科学的饮食跟训练，技术层面得到提升了。结果被集锦迷喷说以前的人技术更好才来发帖求解，虎扑懂球的老哥更多
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作为一个花了钱买了高清重制的乔丹录像的球迷，我只想说乔丹到这个时代依然会很强，哪怕直接空降也是，但是50分？这种属于幻想，乔丹的三分能力也比不过如今的很多射手，即便给予乔丹他们的三分能力，当一个球员得分多的时候那么包夹自然会加大力度，场均50分需要的出手和上场时间会把乔丹的体能榨干到各种伤病、丢失技能
作为一个花了钱买了高清重制的乔丹录像的球迷，我只想说乔丹到这个时代依然会很强，哪怕直接空降也是，但是50分？这种属于幻想，乔丹的三分能力也比不过如今的很多射手，即便给予乔丹他们的三分能力，当一个球员得分多的时候那么包夹自然会加大力度，场均50分需要的出手和上场时间会把乔丹的体能榨干到各种伤病、丢失技能
乔丹在这年代很强我肯定信的，但不希望远古吹把现在的球员当傻子。
乔丹在这年代很强我肯定信的，但不希望远古吹把现在的球员当傻子。
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所以我主贴的意思就是，现在球员学习前辈的同时，得到更科学的饮食跟训练，技术层面得到提升了。结果被集锦迷喷说以前的人技术更好才来发帖求解，虎扑懂球的老哥更多
所以我主贴的意思就是，现在球员学习前辈的同时，得到更科学的饮食跟训练，技术层面得到提升了。结果被集锦迷喷说以前的人技术更好才来发帖求解，虎扑懂球的老哥更多
所以我的意思就是有的技术是现在球员好，有的技术是以前球员好。
这是技术在实际比赛里运用性和程度的问题，哪样技术用的越多，就越好
这是技术在实际比赛里运用性和程度的问题，哪样技术用的越多，就越好
所以我的意思就是有的技术是现在球员好，有的技术是以前球员好。
这是技术在实际比赛里运用性和程度的问题，哪样技术用的越多，就越好
这是技术在实际比赛里运用性和程度的问题，哪样技术用的越多，就越好
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