Which Mavericks jerseys are next in line to be be retired?由Mavs.Ben 发表在Big D https://bbs.hupu.com/688
In their nearly 40 years of existence, the Dallas Mavericks have retired the jersey numbers of three of their own players while adding a fourth number to that list a few months ago following the tragic death of Kobe Bryant. Nobody will ever don No. 12 (Derek Harper), No. 15 (Brad Davis), No. 22 (Rolando Blackman) or No. 24 (Kobe Bryant) in a Mavericks jersey.
Which players could be next? The Athletic’s Tim Cato and Saad Yousuf discuss the candidates.
Dirk Nowitzki, No. 41
Jason Terry, No. 31
Last player to wear No. 41: Dirk Nowitzki (1999-2019)
Last player to wear No. 31: Jason Terry (2005-2012)
Yousuf: Obviously, it’s just a matter of when, not if, with Nowitzki. I do think there is some interesting suspense regarding this ceremony, though. In his retirement extravaganza at the American Airlines Center last year, Nowitzki did tell Mark Cuban that he was interested to see how the Mavericks owner was going to follow that incredible production. Will it be an unveiling at halftime or after the game, or maybe both? I know Nowitzki would probably like to keep it low-key, but I don’t think Cuban will allow that to happen. I really did enjoy the way the San Antonio Spurs went about it for Tony Parker. The logistics of that and who shows up will be interesting. I also wonder how the COVID-19 circumstances impact all of this. Does it get put on hold for a couple of years? Cuban was quoted just a few months ago saying that it could have happened as soon as this season. Of course, a global pandemic changes things. But the longer it stretches, the more I wonder if jersey retirement and statue unveiling become one huge ordeal.
Cato: Right, Nowitzki will go next and anyone else’s chances are on hold until then. And how it happens gets more curious in the uncertainty that is, well, you know reality right now. I’m sure the Mavericks have used the unorthodox break to continue whatever they have planned. Your thought that the retirement and statue could go together is interesting, and probably the way that Nowitzki himself would want it, even as Cuban’s tempted to find as many excuses as possible to celebrate his franchise’s beloved player.
Before we get any further on this topic, are we certain they won’t have to tear down Happiest Hour two blocks away in 2030 to clear room for the 41 Dirk Nowitzki statues it turns out they have planned, as I “predicted” last week?
Yousuf: With Brian Cardinal serving as Dallas’ mayor, never say never. But yes, even though he’s the surest thing, Dirk is one of the more interesting ones for me. Like you just said, I think the only reason we don’t have No. 31 in the rafters is because No. 41 has to go first. No player has been Nowitzki’s teammate longer than Jason Terry and his 619 games. Terry was there for the disappointment of 2006 and 2007 and got the tattoo of the Larry O’Brien trophy even before helping Nowitzki win it all in 2011. Terry wasn’t drafted by the Mavericks and has played for six NBA teams, but his legacy will undoubtedly be tied to his days in Dallas. No player has worn No. 31 in nearly a decade since Terry left Dallas, and I don’t believe anybody will wear it again.
Cato: It wouldn’t make sense to retire Terry’s jersey and number prior to Nowitzki’s since the reason Terry built his case for jersey retirement is directly tied to him, so I agree. You have to follow the order of operations around here. That Nowitzki played another seven seasons after Terry left made the timing slightly awkward. But if Dallas adheres to the rules they have seemed to put in, where fan favoritism does matter strongly as well as longevity, then Terry would stand to have a shoo-in case.
Michael Finley, No. 4
Last player to wear No. 4: Quincy Acy (2017)
Yousuf: Finley joined the Mavericks during the darkest era in franchise history. He came over from Phoenix in the Jason Kidd trade and endured two more brutal seasons in Dallas before the team landed Nowitzki and Steve Nash. Not only was Finley a leader in those early days while Nowitzki and Nash were still developing, but he was in the prime of his career. He led by example on and off of the court. Now, Finley is a valued member of the Mavericks front office. His role in what the Mavericks franchise has looked like over the past two and half decades has been invaluable.
Cato: Do you have any idea why Finley’s jersey isn’t retired right now? Because I’m struggling to come up with one.
Yousuf: I have no idea, either, but my best guess would be that jersey retirements just aren’t very high up on Cuban’s checklist of things to do. You look at how he and the front office tried every year to put together a contending team, and I think that’s where the focus has been. I mean, Harper just had his jersey retired in 2018, more than two decades after leaving the team. What finally prompted it? I think it’s the fact that the Mavericks finally threw in the towel and were obviously in tanking mode so Cuban dug into his ideas and Harper was the first name on the list. I have to imagine Finley isn’t far behind.
Cato: I would think Cuban could delegate some retirements to the front office staff if he wanted to, but I agree, it probably wasn’t a priority over the past two decades. Harper was the logical first choice. Finley was never going to get instant appreciation, either, and not just because he went to the Spurs and played in multiple playoff series against Dallas after leaving.
After reexamining the timeline, it makes more sense. I forget how long his playing career dragged on after Dallas, and these retirements can’t happen immediately unless you’re the best player in franchise history like Nowitzki. (Even his isn’t happening immediately.) You could have retired Harper a couple of years earlier and put Finley’s retirement in his place, but it makes sense to save any Nowitzki-era players who complemented him until Nowitzki himself is up there. I don’t think there’s a good case for Finley’s number not to get retired. But at this rate, if Nowitzki’s jersey retirement happens in 2021, I would think Finley would get his in 2023 or 2024, with Terry’s two years after that.
Mark Aguirre
Last player to wear No. 24: Richard Jefferson (2015)
Yousuf: Mark Aguirre is a complicated case. He’s one of the players that helped get the Dallas Mavericks off the ground when they were conceived in 1980. After joining the team in 1981 as the No. 1 overall pick helped make the franchise relevant before a messy departure in 1989 when he was traded to the Detroit Pistons. There are many stories of grudges he has with franchise icons from the time, but at some point, you have to think it’s time to bury the hatchet. He certainly didn’t help his own case by no-showing at his old teammate’s jersey retirement a couple of years ago when Derek Harper’s No. 12 was honored. Believe it or not, that was the first number retired that was planned and executed under Cuban’s ownership.
Another layer to the Aguirre case is that his number, No. 24, was unofficially retired a few months ago when Cuban declared nobody would wear No. 24 again following Kobe Bryant’s tragic death. Bryant is an NBA legend. but will he be honored in higher regard by the Mavericks than a player who was a great pioneer of the franchise?
Cato: That proverbial hatchet might never get underground, unfortunately. And even if it does, it’s too late to explore any jersey retirement, I agree. At best, if both sides get a sudden wave of good feelings, perhaps another sort of ceremony could take place. A Mark Aguirre T-shirt night. Something like that. Which sounds embarrassingly simple for the more elaborate ceremonies we’re hypothesizing for these other players, but that’s the reality. Cuban, who exhibits incredibly loyalty to players who played on his teams, never knew Aguirre like that. There’s really no reason for him to bother – and that’s before we even reach the Bryant complications.
Yeah, I would really put the percent chances of this jersey retirement at zero.
Yousuf: It’s way too late to retire No. 24 in Aguirre’s name. The fact that four other players since Aguirre have worn the number — including the six games Pavel Podkolzin spent in a Mavs jersey in the middle of the 2000s — really makes the number lose its shine. And then to retire the number immediately after Bryant’s passing away just ends any discussion. Even if Cuban wanted to — and I agree with you that he never knew Aguirre like that, so he has no reason to — if I were Aguirre, I don’t know that I would even care too much to have second honors of the number after a guy who never even wore the uniform got it first.
Cato: I just think we should be asking whether any player should ever be asked to carry on the burden that the incredible Podkolzin left on this franchise.
J.J. Barea
Last player to wear No. 11: Tim Hardaway Jr. (current)
Last player to wear No. 5: Barea (current)
Yousuf: Barea is usually the most polarizing player in these discussions. One side will always hold firm that while Barea is a fan favorite and has provided a lot of winning moments over his career (which is still in progress), retiring his number — No. 11 or No. 5 — makes the honor of jersey retirement lose its prestige. You can’t just have everybody getting their number in the rafters. The other side will point to the fact that Barea was the key decision in the 2011 NBA Finals. With the Mavericks down 2-1 to the Miami Heat, Rick Carlisle inserted Barea in the starting lineup and the Mavericks never lost another game. Beyond that, Barea has been a steady force in the twilight of Nowitzki’s career and has helped immensely with his leadership and experience in ushering in a new era with Luka Doncic.
Cato: And Barea’s ultimately a debate about the philosophy teams should have when retiring jerseys and honor their players. The Boston Celtics have retired 23 numbers with a 24th on its way. The Los Angeles Lakers, on the other hand, have only retired 11 jerseys over their star-studded history. Dallas, obviously, has a fraction of the history that those two do. But they’ve also retired the jersey of Brad Davis, a beloved career backup like Barea who, at the time, seemed worth honoring. Where do you fall on this personally, Saad? Are you one of those people who complain about the Hall of Fame getting turned into the Hall of Very Good? Is it OK to acknowledge Dallas lifers in this way, or should we find other ways – it can be something more than a T-shirt night, I promise – to honor these important players whose actual impact was smaller.
Yousuf: This one is tough, but if I’m casting my vote, I don’t think I would retire Barea’s jersey number. I’m going to take the liberty, though, to expand on your idea of an alternative honoring system and see what you think. Between jersey retirements and t-shirt nights, it is possible to be creative and have some sort of a Ring of Honor. In the NHL, there are certain teams that don’t retire a player’s number but they induct him into a sort of Ring of Honor. In fact, a few weeks ago, I made the case for the Stars to do it. But you can also look at the Dallas Cowboys, if you want to stay local. They don’t have any numbers officially retired, but you know you’re never seeing anybody else ever wear No. 8. Michael Irvin is one of the five greatest players in franchise history, but No. 88 is still in rotation with the team as he’s honored in their Ring of Honor. I think that’s a system that can cater to the Hall of Very Good or Hall of Fan Favorite without awarding the highest honors.
Cato: Yeah, the problem with retiring jersey numbers is that eventually, you run out. Like, at this rate, in another century, the Boston Celtics will have to unretire their numbers and start fresh. Or at least allow rookies to select numbers in the triple digits. Barea should never have his jersey retired in the immediate future, but I don’t expect Cuban to adhere to that old standard of fan favorites getting their jerseys retired like old ownership might have.
Anyway, Barea will get his jersey retired in 2035 after a spectacular 10-year run as head coach solidifies his case.
https://theathletic.com/1839117/2020/05/27/which-mavericks-jerseys-are-next-in-line-to-be-be-retired/
In their nearly 40 years of existence, the Dallas Mavericks have retired the jersey numbers of three of their own players while adding a fourth number to that list a few months ago following the tragic death of Kobe Bryant. Nobody will ever don No. 12 (Derek Harper), No. 15 (Brad Davis), No. 22 (Rolando Blackman) or No. 24 (Kobe Bryant) in a Mavericks jersey.
Which players could be next? The Athletic’s Tim Cato and Saad Yousuf discuss the candidates.
Dirk Nowitzki, No. 41
Jason Terry, No. 31
Last player to wear No. 41: Dirk Nowitzki (1999-2019)
Last player to wear No. 31: Jason Terry (2005-2012)
Yousuf: Obviously, it’s just a matter of when, not if, with Nowitzki. I do think there is some interesting suspense regarding this ceremony, though. In his retirement extravaganza at the American Airlines Center last year, Nowitzki did tell Mark Cuban that he was interested to see how the Mavericks owner was going to follow that incredible production. Will it be an unveiling at halftime or after the game, or maybe both? I know Nowitzki would probably like to keep it low-key, but I don’t think Cuban will allow that to happen. I really did enjoy the way the San Antonio Spurs went about it for Tony Parker. The logistics of that and who shows up will be interesting. I also wonder how the COVID-19 circumstances impact all of this. Does it get put on hold for a couple of years? Cuban was quoted just a few months ago saying that it could have happened as soon as this season. Of course, a global pandemic changes things. But the longer it stretches, the more I wonder if jersey retirement and statue unveiling become one huge ordeal.
Cato: Right, Nowitzki will go next and anyone else’s chances are on hold until then. And how it happens gets more curious in the uncertainty that is, well, you know reality right now. I’m sure the Mavericks have used the unorthodox break to continue whatever they have planned. Your thought that the retirement and statue could go together is interesting, and probably the way that Nowitzki himself would want it, even as Cuban’s tempted to find as many excuses as possible to celebrate his franchise’s beloved player.
Before we get any further on this topic, are we certain they won’t have to tear down Happiest Hour two blocks away in 2030 to clear room for the 41 Dirk Nowitzki statues it turns out they have planned, as I “predicted” last week?
Yousuf: With Brian Cardinal serving as Dallas’ mayor, never say never. But yes, even though he’s the surest thing, Dirk is one of the more interesting ones for me. Like you just said, I think the only reason we don’t have No. 31 in the rafters is because No. 41 has to go first. No player has been Nowitzki’s teammate longer than Jason Terry and his 619 games. Terry was there for the disappointment of 2006 and 2007 and got the tattoo of the Larry O’Brien trophy even before helping Nowitzki win it all in 2011. Terry wasn’t drafted by the Mavericks and has played for six NBA teams, but his legacy will undoubtedly be tied to his days in Dallas. No player has worn No. 31 in nearly a decade since Terry left Dallas, and I don’t believe anybody will wear it again.
Cato: It wouldn’t make sense to retire Terry’s jersey and number prior to Nowitzki’s since the reason Terry built his case for jersey retirement is directly tied to him, so I agree. You have to follow the order of operations around here. That Nowitzki played another seven seasons after Terry left made the timing slightly awkward. But if Dallas adheres to the rules they have seemed to put in, where fan favoritism does matter strongly as well as longevity, then Terry would stand to have a shoo-in case.
Michael Finley, No. 4
Last player to wear No. 4: Quincy Acy (2017)
Yousuf: Finley joined the Mavericks during the darkest era in franchise history. He came over from Phoenix in the Jason Kidd trade and endured two more brutal seasons in Dallas before the team landed Nowitzki and Steve Nash. Not only was Finley a leader in those early days while Nowitzki and Nash were still developing, but he was in the prime of his career. He led by example on and off of the court. Now, Finley is a valued member of the Mavericks front office. His role in what the Mavericks franchise has looked like over the past two and half decades has been invaluable.
Cato: Do you have any idea why Finley’s jersey isn’t retired right now? Because I’m struggling to come up with one.
Yousuf: I have no idea, either, but my best guess would be that jersey retirements just aren’t very high up on Cuban’s checklist of things to do. You look at how he and the front office tried every year to put together a contending team, and I think that’s where the focus has been. I mean, Harper just had his jersey retired in 2018, more than two decades after leaving the team. What finally prompted it? I think it’s the fact that the Mavericks finally threw in the towel and were obviously in tanking mode so Cuban dug into his ideas and Harper was the first name on the list. I have to imagine Finley isn’t far behind.
Cato: I would think Cuban could delegate some retirements to the front office staff if he wanted to, but I agree, it probably wasn’t a priority over the past two decades. Harper was the logical first choice. Finley was never going to get instant appreciation, either, and not just because he went to the Spurs and played in multiple playoff series against Dallas after leaving.
After reexamining the timeline, it makes more sense. I forget how long his playing career dragged on after Dallas, and these retirements can’t happen immediately unless you’re the best player in franchise history like Nowitzki. (Even his isn’t happening immediately.) You could have retired Harper a couple of years earlier and put Finley’s retirement in his place, but it makes sense to save any Nowitzki-era players who complemented him until Nowitzki himself is up there. I don’t think there’s a good case for Finley’s number not to get retired. But at this rate, if Nowitzki’s jersey retirement happens in 2021, I would think Finley would get his in 2023 or 2024, with Terry’s two years after that.
Mark Aguirre
Last player to wear No. 24: Richard Jefferson (2015)
Yousuf: Mark Aguirre is a complicated case. He’s one of the players that helped get the Dallas Mavericks off the ground when they were conceived in 1980. After joining the team in 1981 as the No. 1 overall pick helped make the franchise relevant before a messy departure in 1989 when he was traded to the Detroit Pistons. There are many stories of grudges he has with franchise icons from the time, but at some point, you have to think it’s time to bury the hatchet. He certainly didn’t help his own case by no-showing at his old teammate’s jersey retirement a couple of years ago when Derek Harper’s No. 12 was honored. Believe it or not, that was the first number retired that was planned and executed under Cuban’s ownership.
Another layer to the Aguirre case is that his number, No. 24, was unofficially retired a few months ago when Cuban declared nobody would wear No. 24 again following Kobe Bryant’s tragic death. Bryant is an NBA legend. but will he be honored in higher regard by the Mavericks than a player who was a great pioneer of the franchise?
Cato: That proverbial hatchet might never get underground, unfortunately. And even if it does, it’s too late to explore any jersey retirement, I agree. At best, if both sides get a sudden wave of good feelings, perhaps another sort of ceremony could take place. A Mark Aguirre T-shirt night. Something like that. Which sounds embarrassingly simple for the more elaborate ceremonies we’re hypothesizing for these other players, but that’s the reality. Cuban, who exhibits incredibly loyalty to players who played on his teams, never knew Aguirre like that. There’s really no reason for him to bother – and that’s before we even reach the Bryant complications.
Yeah, I would really put the percent chances of this jersey retirement at zero.
Yousuf: It’s way too late to retire No. 24 in Aguirre’s name. The fact that four other players since Aguirre have worn the number — including the six games Pavel Podkolzin spent in a Mavs jersey in the middle of the 2000s — really makes the number lose its shine. And then to retire the number immediately after Bryant’s passing away just ends any discussion. Even if Cuban wanted to — and I agree with you that he never knew Aguirre like that, so he has no reason to — if I were Aguirre, I don’t know that I would even care too much to have second honors of the number after a guy who never even wore the uniform got it first.
Cato: I just think we should be asking whether any player should ever be asked to carry on the burden that the incredible Podkolzin left on this franchise.
J.J. Barea
Last player to wear No. 11: Tim Hardaway Jr. (current)
Last player to wear No. 5: Barea (current)
Yousuf: Barea is usually the most polarizing player in these discussions. One side will always hold firm that while Barea is a fan favorite and has provided a lot of winning moments over his career (which is still in progress), retiring his number — No. 11 or No. 5 — makes the honor of jersey retirement lose its prestige. You can’t just have everybody getting their number in the rafters. The other side will point to the fact that Barea was the key decision in the 2011 NBA Finals. With the Mavericks down 2-1 to the Miami Heat, Rick Carlisle inserted Barea in the starting lineup and the Mavericks never lost another game. Beyond that, Barea has been a steady force in the twilight of Nowitzki’s career and has helped immensely with his leadership and experience in ushering in a new era with Luka Doncic.
Cato: And Barea’s ultimately a debate about the philosophy teams should have when retiring jerseys and honor their players. The Boston Celtics have retired 23 numbers with a 24th on its way. The Los Angeles Lakers, on the other hand, have only retired 11 jerseys over their star-studded history. Dallas, obviously, has a fraction of the history that those two do. But they’ve also retired the jersey of Brad Davis, a beloved career backup like Barea who, at the time, seemed worth honoring. Where do you fall on this personally, Saad? Are you one of those people who complain about the Hall of Fame getting turned into the Hall of Very Good? Is it OK to acknowledge Dallas lifers in this way, or should we find other ways – it can be something more than a T-shirt night, I promise – to honor these important players whose actual impact was smaller.
Yousuf: This one is tough, but if I’m casting my vote, I don’t think I would retire Barea’s jersey number. I’m going to take the liberty, though, to expand on your idea of an alternative honoring system and see what you think. Between jersey retirements and t-shirt nights, it is possible to be creative and have some sort of a Ring of Honor. In the NHL, there are certain teams that don’t retire a player’s number but they induct him into a sort of Ring of Honor. In fact, a few weeks ago, I made the case for the Stars to do it. But you can also look at the Dallas Cowboys, if you want to stay local. They don’t have any numbers officially retired, but you know you’re never seeing anybody else ever wear No. 8. Michael Irvin is one of the five greatest players in franchise history, but No. 88 is still in rotation with the team as he’s honored in their Ring of Honor. I think that’s a system that can cater to the Hall of Very Good or Hall of Fan Favorite without awarding the highest honors.
Cato: Yeah, the problem with retiring jersey numbers is that eventually, you run out. Like, at this rate, in another century, the Boston Celtics will have to unretire their numbers and start fresh. Or at least allow rookies to select numbers in the triple digits. Barea should never have his jersey retired in the immediate future, but I don’t expect Cuban to adhere to that old standard of fan favorites getting their jerseys retired like old ownership might have.
Anyway, Barea will get his jersey retired in 2035 after a spectacular 10-year run as head coach solidifies his case.
https://theathletic.com/1839117/2020/05/27/which-mavericks-jerseys-are-next-in-line-to-be-be-retired/
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