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按道理来讲,即使偏科,也总有数据能体现吧?比如邓肯的防守高阶,库里的进攻高阶,都是顶级的存在。

按道理来讲,即使偏科,也总有数据能体现吧?
比如邓肯的防守高阶,库里的进攻高阶,都是顶级的存在。

按道理来讲,高阶数据那么牛逼,咋都是狼狈逃窜啊?所以,真的,看看球吧。

按道理来讲,高阶数据那么牛逼,咋都是狼狈逃窜啊?所以,真的,看看球吧。

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我不是篮球粉,唯一敬佩的篮球明星只有科比

我不是篮球粉,唯一敬佩的篮球明星只有科比

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不看球看数据的叫什么球迷嘛,有几个詹密会去关心科比的比赛呢看球的觉得他真厉害,看数据的觉得他一般般。---大家看法不同很正常,反正我觉得这个一般般的人拿了 5 个总冠军,而且他的技术和实力也是独一档的。---我作为打过 CUBA 的实战型选手,我并不觉得詹姆斯有很顶尖的技术。---詹姆斯天赋历史顶级,身边总有能靠一己之力扭转比赛的队友(这是我个人对超级球星的定义),他又是独占球权的决策者,所以詹姆斯进攻端数据好很正常,他有这个实力,他的团队配置非常好并且对他的打法配合度也很高。---另外詹姆斯的防守技术也比较一般。我习惯看一个球员的防守的脚步、动作和站位意识,我认为这些是防守技术,这是我们多年训练里一直强调的东西。这些防守技术可以在阵地战实实在在限制对手整体的进攻节奏,类似一对一追防大帽这种极限操作并不能体现防守技术,这更多的是个人天赋,跑得快跳的高。

不看球看数据的叫什么球迷嘛,有几个詹密会去关心科比的比赛呢看球的觉得他真厉害,看数据的觉得他一般般。---大家看法不同很正常,反正我觉得这个一般般的人拿了 5 个总冠军,而且他的技术和实力也是独一档的。---我作为打过 CUBA 的实战型选手,我并不觉得詹姆斯有很顶尖的技术。---
詹姆斯天赋历史顶级,身边总有能靠一己之力扭转比赛的队友(这是我个人对超级球星的定义),他又是独占球权的决策者,所以詹姆斯进攻端数据好很正常,他有这个实力,他的团队配置非常好并且对他的打法配合度也很高。---另外詹姆斯的防守技术也比较一般。我习惯看一个球员的防守的脚步、动作和站位意识,我认为这些是防守技术,这是我们多年训练里一直强调的东西。这些防守技术可以在阵地战实实在在限制对手整体的进攻节奏,类似一对一追防大帽这种极限操作并不能体现防守技术,这更多的是个人天赋,跑得快跳的高。

请问科比实力强在哪里?高阶数据体现不出来,夹杂主观情感看球?那么多牛逼得球员高阶都厉害,就唯独科比体面不出来,真服了你们这些自圆其说的

请问科比实力强在哪里?高阶数据体现不出来,夹杂主观情感看球?那么多牛逼得球员高阶都厉害,就唯独科比体面不出来,真服了你们这些自圆其说的

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不知道啊 就是能赢球啊 就是能带着之前替补进全明星 季后赛一场没赢过的加索尔拿二连冠啊 就是不需要三巨头也能二连冠 就是攻防一体十几个一阵九个一防
不过不讲气话 科密回答你 科比有时候在场上就是伤害球队、斗气 况且科比高阶数据只是不在最高那一档 但是同样很高 也是超巨的门槛了 而且邓肯啥时候有人吹他高阶了 邓肯高阶也不是最顶级夸张那一档啊 奥尼尔倒是很夸张 妨碍邓肯和奥尼尔一档甚至略高于奥尼尔了吗

不知道啊 就是能赢球啊 就是能带着之前替补进全明星 季后赛一场没赢过的加索尔拿二连冠啊 就是不需要三巨头也能二连冠 就是攻防一体十几个一阵九个一防
不过不讲气话 科密回答你 科比有时候在场上就是伤害球队、斗气 况且科比高阶数据只是不在最高那一档 但是同样很高 也是超巨的门槛了 而且邓肯啥时候有人吹他高阶了 邓肯高阶也不是最顶级夸张那一档啊 奥尼尔倒是很夸张 妨碍邓肯和奥尼尔一档甚至略高于奥尼尔了吗

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讨论其他球星难道不是跑题吗?基本的语文逻辑数据分析有正例也有反例,正例占比 80% 也不能说明反例就是错误的吧换句话说, 横向比较两个球员的高阶数据,得出强弱的结论,这个结论一定对吗?打过篮球的都知道,如果队友很强,比赛分差悬殊,那核心球员很容易打出亮眼的数据。从这个例子来看,影响高阶数据的除了个人因素之外,还有队友阵容,对手实力。因为东西部的对手不同,队友也不可能相同,无法用高阶数据进行控制变量法的比较。所以这个所谓的高阶数据,本身就只能参考个人表现的走势,不能拿来对比不同的球员。

讨论其他球星难道不是跑题吗?基本的语文逻辑

数据分析有正例也有反例,正例占比 80% 也不能说明反例就是错误的吧换句话说, 横向比较两个球员的高阶数据,得出强弱的结论,这个结论一定对吗?打过篮球的都知道,如果队友很强,比赛分差悬殊,那核心球员很容易打出亮眼的数据。从这个例子来看,影响高阶数据的除了个人因素之外,还有队友阵容,对手实力。因为东西部的对手不同,队友也不可能相同,无法用高阶数据进行控制变量法的比较。所以这个所谓的高阶数据,本身就只能参考个人表现的走势,不能拿来对比不同的球员。

When comparing Kobe Bryant's and LeBron James' advanced stats specifically during their championship seasons, we can see how their peak performances contributed to their teams' success. Let’s focus on Kobe’s championship years with the Lakers (2008-2009, 2009-2010) and LeBron’s championship years with the Miami Heat (2011-2012, 2012-2013) to see who had the statistical edge.
### 1. Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
- LeBron James: LeBron’s PER during his championship years with the Heat was around 30.5, reaching a peak of 31.6 in 2012-2013. This is extraordinarily high and reflects one of the most efficient championship performances in NBA history.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s PER during the Lakers’ two-peat seasons was around 24.6. While strong and reflective of his role as the primary offensive weapon, it’s lower than LeBron’s due to Kobe’s higher volume of difficult shots.
Edge: LeBron James
### 2. True Shooting Percentage (TS%)
- LeBron James: During his Heat championship seasons, LeBron had a TS% of around 60.5%, benefiting from high efficiency at the rim, improved three-point shooting, and consistent free-throw accuracy.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s TS% during the Lakers’ title years was about 56.5%, which is good but slightly lower than LeBron’s. Kobe was known for taking tougher, contested shots, which brought down his shooting efficiency compared to LeBron’s more balanced shot selection.
Edge: LeBron James
### 3. Win Shares (WS)
- LeBron James: LeBron’s WS per season during his championship years averaged around 15.4, with a peak of 19.3 WS in 2012-2013, an exceptionally high mark that underscores his overall impact.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s WS per season during the Lakers’ championship run was about 11.6. While significant, it’s still lower than LeBron’s, largely due to Kobe’s efficiency and volume differences.
Edge: LeBron James
### 4. Box Plus/Minus (BPM)
- LeBron James: LeBron’s BPM during his Miami championship years was around +10.3, one of the highest all-time, reflecting his dominance on both offense and defense.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s BPM in the Lakers’ two-peat years averaged about +6.2. His impact was significant, especially on offense, but it was lower than LeBron’s due to LeBron’s stronger all-around game.
Edge: LeBron James
### 5. Usage Rate (USG%)
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe had a high usage rate, averaging about 32.8% over the two-peat seasons, reflecting his role as the Lakers’ primary scorer and offensive focal point.
- LeBron James: LeBron’s usage rate with the Heat during championship seasons was slightly lower, around 31.5%, as he shared the offensive load with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. However, he was still highly efficient, which enabled him to maintain elite advanced stats.
Edge: Kobe Bryant (for usage rate, showing how much he was the primary option, though LeBron's efficiency at a high usage is notable)
### 6. Defensive Impact
- Defensive Rating: LeBron had a defensive rating of around 100–101 during his Heat championship years, reflecting his versatility and ability to guard multiple positions effectively.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s defensive rating during the two-peat was around 105, which, while strong, reflects less impact than LeBron’s. Kobe was a strong perimeter defender, but LeBron’s size and athleticism allowed him to make a greater impact on defense, especially in Miami.
Edge: LeBron James

### Summary

In terms of advanced stats, LeBron James generally comes out on topdue to his efficiency, playmaking, and consistent impact across all facets of the game. His PER, TS%, WS, BPM, and VORP all point to a player with extraordinary all-around contributions. Kobe Bryant’s advanced stats show an elite scorer and fierce competitor, but his efficiency and overall impact metrics are slightly lower than LeBron’s, mainly because of his high-volume shooting and a style that didn’t always prioritize statistical efficiency.
While advanced stats favor LeBron, Kobe’s legacy is heavily built on his clutch performances, scoring artistry, and relentless drive, making him one of the most impactful players despite slightly lower advanced metrics.总结在高级统计数据方面,勒布朗-詹姆斯通常凭借其效率、打球能力以及在比赛各方面的持续影响力而拔得头筹。他的 PER、TS%、WS、BPM 和 VORP 都显示出他是一位具有非凡全面贡献的球员。科比-布莱恩特的高级数据显示,他是一名精英得分手和激烈的竞争者,但他的效率和整体影响力指标略低于勒布朗,这主要是因为他的高投篮命中率和风格并不总是将统计效率放在首位。
尽管先进的数据指标更倾向于勒布朗,但科比的传奇主要建立在他的关键时刻的表现、得分技巧和不懈的驱动力上,这使他成为最具影响力的球员之一,尽管他的先进指标略低于勒布朗。***看点客观的东西吧,黑来黑去很无聊

When comparing Kobe Bryant's and LeBron James' advanced stats specifically during their championship seasons, we can see how their peak performances contributed to their teams' success. Let’s focus on Kobe’s championship years with the Lakers (2008-2009, 2009-2010) and LeBron’s championship years with the Miami Heat (2011-2012, 2012-2013) to see who had the statistical edge.
### 1. Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
- LeBron James: LeBron’s PER during his championship years with the Heat was around 30.5, reaching a peak of 31.6 in 2012-2013. This is extraordinarily high and reflects one of the most efficient championship performances in NBA history.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s PER during the Lakers’ two-peat seasons was around 24.6. While strong and reflective of his role as the primary offensive weapon, it’s lower than LeBron’s due to Kobe’s higher volume of difficult shots.
Edge: LeBron James
### 2. True Shooting Percentage (TS%)
- LeBron James: During his Heat championship seasons, LeBron had a TS% of around 60.5%, benefiting from high efficiency at the rim, improved three-point shooting, and consistent free-throw accuracy.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s TS% during the Lakers’ title years was about 56.5%, which is good but slightly lower than LeBron’s. Kobe was known for taking tougher, contested shots, which brought down his shooting efficiency compared to LeBron’s more balanced shot selection.
Edge: LeBron James
### 3. Win Shares (WS)
- LeBron James: LeBron’s WS per season during his championship years averaged around 15.4, with a peak of 19.3 WS in 2012-2013, an exceptionally high mark that underscores his overall impact.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s WS per season during the Lakers’ championship run was about 11.6. While significant, it’s still lower than LeBron’s, largely due to Kobe’s efficiency and volume differences.
Edge: LeBron James
### 4. Box Plus/Minus (BPM)
- LeBron James: LeBron’s BPM during his Miami championship years was around +10.3, one of the highest all-time, reflecting his dominance on both offense and defense.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s BPM in the Lakers’ two-peat years averaged about +6.2. His impact was significant, especially on offense, but it was lower than LeBron’s due to LeBron’s stronger all-around game.
Edge: LeBron James
### 5. Usage Rate (USG%)
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe had a high usage rate, averaging about 32.8% over the two-peat seasons, reflecting his role as the Lakers’ primary scorer and offensive focal point.
- LeBron James: LeBron’s usage rate with the Heat during championship seasons was slightly lower, around 31.5%, as he shared the offensive load with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. However, he was still highly efficient, which enabled him to maintain elite advanced stats.
Edge: Kobe Bryant (for usage rate, showing how much he was the primary option, though LeBron's efficiency at a high usage is notable)
### 6. Defensive Impact
- Defensive Rating: LeBron had a defensive rating of around 100–101 during his Heat championship years, reflecting his versatility and ability to guard multiple positions effectively.
- Kobe Bryant: Kobe’s defensive rating during the two-peat was around 105, which, while strong, reflects less impact than LeBron’s. Kobe was a strong perimeter defender, but LeBron’s size and athleticism allowed him to make a greater impact on defense, especially in Miami.
Edge: LeBron James

### Summary

In terms of advanced stats, LeBron James generally comes out on topdue to his efficiency, playmaking, and consistent impact across all facets of the game. His PER, TS%, WS, BPM, and VORP all point to a player with extraordinary all-around contributions. Kobe Bryant’s advanced stats show an elite scorer and fierce competitor, but his efficiency and overall impact metrics are slightly lower than LeBron’s, mainly because of his high-volume shooting and a style that didn’t always prioritize statistical efficiency.
While advanced stats favor LeBron, Kobe’s legacy is heavily built on his clutch performances, scoring artistry, and relentless drive, making him one of the most impactful players despite slightly lower advanced metrics.总结在高级统计数据方面,勒布朗-詹姆斯通常凭借其效率、打球能力以及在比赛各方面的持续影响力而拔得头筹。他的 PER、TS%、WS、BPM 和 VORP 都显示出他是一位具有非凡全面贡献的球员。科比-布莱恩特的高级数据显示,他是一名精英得分手和激烈的竞争者,但他的效率和整体影响力指标略低于勒布朗,这主要是因为他的高投篮命中率和风格并不总是将统计效率放在首位。
尽管先进的数据指标更倾向于勒布朗,但科比的传奇主要建立在他的关键时刻的表现、得分技巧和不懈的驱动力上,这使他成为最具影响力的球员之一,尽管他的先进指标略低于勒布朗。***看点客观的东西吧,黑来黑去很无聊

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科比以得分著称,拿了几个得分王?除了得分,他还有哪项技术突出?

科比以得分著称,拿了几个得分王?除了得分,他还有哪项技术突出?

拿5个冠军,可以吗?能力方面,有些人还是先学会3步上篮吧。

拿5个冠军,可以吗?[奸笑]能力方面,有些人还是先学会3步上篮吧。

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没有总冠军也能有fmvp,为了fmvp不要总冠军又不是我说的,我也没想到居然有人能这么干。

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没有总冠军也能有fmvp,为了fmvp不要总冠军又不是我说的,我也没想到居然有人能这么干。

你在说詹姆斯吗?

你在说詹姆斯吗?

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科比的打法有点像没苦硬吃,主要体现英雄球,最绝望的时候是科比传球给拜纳姆+加索尔,确实挡不住

科比的打法有点像没苦硬吃,主要体现英雄球,最绝望的时候是科比传球给拜纳姆+加索尔,确实挡不住

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抖音搜索杰哥

抖音搜索杰哥

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请问科比实力强在哪里?高阶数据体现不出来,夹杂主观情感看球?那么多牛逼得球员高阶都厉害,就唯独科比体面不出来,真服了你们这些自圆其说的

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请问科比实力强在哪里?高阶数据体现不出来,夹杂主观情感看球?那么多牛逼得球员高阶都厉害,就唯独科比体面不出来,真服了你们这些自圆其说的

只能说很遗憾你错过他打球的那么多个赛季,没有好好看过当然不知道。

只能说很遗憾你错过他打球的那么多个赛季,没有好好看过当然不知道。

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打球的前提是什么你知道吗?

打球的前提是什么你知道吗?

我知道,是整点数据。

我知道,是整点数据。

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你又知道没有喝?

你又知道没有喝?

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确实是走了 走得还挺彻底

确实是走了 走得还挺彻底

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强密:因为高阶数据是专门排除老大而定制的。

强密:因为高阶数据是专门排除老大而定制的。

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高阶和队友有鸡毛关系,约基奇队友都这样了,影响他高阶了吗?

高阶和队友有鸡毛关系,约基奇队友都这样了,影响他高阶了吗?

所以,约基奇几个冠军?或者说就是整点数据?

所以,约基奇几个冠军?或者说就是整点数据?

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因为有些数据是能刷的,但总冠军和赢下比赛是实打实的

因为有些数据是能刷的,但总冠军和赢下比赛是实打实的

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5个总冠军算不算高阶数据呢?

5个总冠军算不算高阶数据呢?

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奇怪了科比对奥尼尔说五大于四的时候,为什么不反驳?哎,我有三个MVP呢。啊,为什么?为什么在接受记者采访的时候还说三年第一关是靠他,第二关靠他们两个,第三关靠科比呢?

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奇怪了科比对奥尼尔说五大于四的时候,为什么不反驳?哎,我有三个MVP呢。啊,为什么?为什么在接受记者采访的时候还说三年第一关是靠他,第二关靠他们两个,第三关靠科比呢?

说明奥尼尔比詹姆斯高情商、高智商、高学历更有教养。。而不是说FMVP不值钱

说明奥尼尔比詹姆斯高情商、高智商、高学历更有教养。。而不是说FMVP不值钱

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