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Anonymous NBA Executive About Devin Booker's Recent Struggles:"Mike Budenholzer has ruined Devin Booker. What made him a tier one shooting guard in the league was his playmaking and getting in rhyme with his midrange shots, he's shooting more 3 pointers recently when he's a league average 35% 3 point shooter his whole flow is ruined. Mike is not exploiting Devin Booker's true gift as a player that we all love to watch over the years."--一位nba匿名高管:“布登霍尔泽毁了德文-布克,他之所以能成为联盟一流的得分后卫,是因为他之前的进攻组织和中距离投篮能默契配合;而本赛季布克投了更多的三分球(命中率35%),他的整个比赛节奏都被毁了。”

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Anonymous NBA Executive About Devin Booker's Recent Struggles:

"Mike Budenholzer has ruined Devin Booker. What made him a tier one shooting guard in the league was his playmaking and getting in rhyme with his midrange shots, he's shooting more 3 pointers recently when he's a league average 35% 3 point shooter his whole flow is ruined. Mike is not exploiting Devin Booker's true gift as a player that we all love to watch over the years."
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一位nba匿名高管:“布登霍尔泽毁了德文-布克,他之所以能成为联盟一流的得分后卫,是因为他之前的进攻组织和中距离投篮能默契配合;而本赛季布克投了更多的三分球(命中率35%),他的整个比赛节奏都被毁了。”

我的观感也是这样的,毕竟布克并不是个高产的三分射手,这赛季投的又多又差,而且感觉篮下也变得低效了,这是新品种——反魔球型球员?

我的观感也是这样的,毕竟布克并不是个高产的三分射手,这赛季投的又多又差,而且感觉篮下也变得低效了,这是新品种——反魔球型球员?

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一年一度的太阳在交易市场上“很有侵略性”“积极运作”“很感兴趣”

一年一度的太阳在交易市场上“很有侵略性”“积极运作”“很感兴趣”

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一年一度的太阳在交易市场上“很有侵略性”“积极运作”“很感兴趣”

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一年一度的太阳在交易市场上“很有侵略性”“积极运作”“很感兴趣”

Again, just read what I said, folks! I'm confirming what I've also heard from multiple sources outside of Phoenix and around the league regarding Jimmy Butler and the teams he'd be interested in! Phoenix is absolutely one of them! That's what I said, nothing more, nothing less!
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神棍也连续发推说:太阳是真的真的有意阿酸
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随后热火那边阿里森(老板)也下场否认要卖阿酸
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打起来,打起来

Again, just read what I said, folks! I'm confirming what I've also heard from multiple sources outside of Phoenix and around the league regarding Jimmy Butler and the teams he'd be interested in! Phoenix is absolutely one of them! That's what I said, nothing more, nothing less!
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神棍也连续发推说:太阳是真的真的有意阿酸
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随后热火那边阿里森(老板)也下场否认要卖阿酸
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打起来,打起来[吃瓜]

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你日拿啥换JB啊?

你日拿啥换JB啊?

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用兰特换,要几个首轮(交易主体)回来(暴论)

用兰特换,要几个首轮(交易主体)回来(暴论)

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去年防反,快攻丢了,不知道今年中距离的产量和效率如何,是不是又丢了一样,换帅感觉影响最大的就是他了,已经不是我们熟知的老四了

去年防反,快攻丢了,不知道今年中距离的产量和效率如何,是不是又丢了一样,换帅感觉影响最大的就是他了,已经不是我们熟知的老四了

中距离还是产效兼备,只不过篮下终结掉得很厉害

中距离还是产效兼备,只不过篮下终结掉得很厉害

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你日拿啥换JB啊?

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你日拿啥换JB啊?

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The Suns are Jimmy Butler’s top preferred trade destination, per @Gambo987

“Shams Charania is not incorrect, despite what the agent says, despite what the Miami Heat may say. I always take a little bit of time making sure I get stories correct, because I don't go out there with incorrect information: Jimmy Butler is absolutely interested in coming to the Phoenix Suns”
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反Shams人士John Gambadoro:Shams这次并没有报道错。据我所知,阿酸确实对菲尼克斯非常感兴趣,甚至是首选交易目的地

The Suns are Jimmy Butler’s top preferred trade destination, per @Gambo987

“Shams Charania is not incorrect, despite what the agent says, despite what the Miami Heat may say. I always take a little bit of time making sure I get stories correct, because I don't go out there with incorrect information: Jimmy Butler is absolutely interested in coming to the Phoenix Suns”
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反Shams人士John Gambadoro:Shams这次并没有报道错。据我所知,阿酸确实对菲尼克斯非常感兴趣,甚至是首选交易目的地

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The Heat did not have an appetite to take on Bradley Beal’s contract when they were his original preferred destination in 2023.

With Beal’s drop in production, plus being paid $110 million over the final two years of his contract, it’s hard to see that changing now.

The Suns would need to involve a third team that not only is willing to take on Beal’s salary, but also a destination he would sign off on with a no-trade clause.

A complicated situation, but one Phoenix appears ready to further explore soon to potentially acquire Jimmy Butler.
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Evan Sidery:热火对比尔的兴趣不大,太阳需要找到第三方接手比尔的合同,同时比尔还要愿意为这支球队放弃交易否决权

The Heat did not have an appetite to take on Bradley Beal’s contract when they were his original preferred destination in 2023.

With Beal’s drop in production, plus being paid $110 million over the final two years of his contract, it’s hard to see that changing now.

The Suns would need to involve a third team that not only is willing to take on Beal’s salary, but also a destination he would sign off on with a no-trade clause.

A complicated situation, but one Phoenix appears ready to further explore soon to potentially acquire Jimmy Butler.
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Evan Sidery:热火对比尔的兴趣不大,太阳需要找到第三方接手比尔的合同,同时比尔还要愿意为这支球队放弃交易否决权

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The Suns are Jimmy Butler’s top preferred trade destination, per @Gambo987“Shams Charania is not incorrect, despite what the agent says, despite what the Miami Heat may say. I always take a little bit of time making sure I get stories correct, because I don't go out there with incorrect information: Jimmy Butler is absolutely interested in coming to the Phoenix Suns” --反Shams人士John Gambadoro:Shams这次并没有报道错。据我所知,阿酸确实对菲尼克斯非常感兴趣,甚至是首选交易目的地

The Suns are Jimmy Butler’s top preferred trade destination, per @Gambo987

“Shams Charania is not incorrect, despite what the agent says, despite what the Miami Heat may say. I always take a little bit of time making sure I get stories correct, because I don't go out there with incorrect information: Jimmy Butler is absolutely interested in coming to the Phoenix Suns”
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反Shams人士John Gambadoro:Shams这次并没有报道错。据我所知,阿酸确实对菲尼克斯非常感兴趣,甚至是首选交易目的地

Phoenix would likely need to send more filler to Miami such as draft picks, but Gambadoro adds he does not believe the Suns give up their first-round choice in 2031 to get a deal done.
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Gambo:太阳在这笔交易中可能要补偿选秀权,但我不相信太阳会放弃2031年首轮来完成这笔交易

Phoenix would likely need to send more filler to Miami such as draft picks, but Gambadoro adds he does not believe the Suns give up their first-round choice in 2031 to get a deal done.
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Gambo:太阳在这笔交易中可能要补偿选秀权,但我不相信太阳会放弃2031年首轮来完成这笔交易

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这三四年来每次有人指定下家,感觉都有你日这破队

这三四年来每次有人指定下家,感觉都有你日这破队

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时间点还很早,你日上一次在12月15日开始后的几周就做的交易要追溯到2018年12月17日:将特雷沃-阿里扎送到奇才,换来奥斯汀-里弗斯和小凯利-乌布雷

时间点还很早,你日上一次在12月15日开始后的几周就做的交易要追溯到2018年12月17日:将特雷沃-阿里扎送到奇才,换来奥斯汀-里弗斯和小凯利-乌布雷

Are the Suns interested in Jimmy Butler? The answer is it depends. The Suns were 11-2 with KD so I would expect they give the roster until mid/late January before making a decision - How they play in the next 10-15 games will ultimately determine what they will do trade wise.
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Gambo:我预计太阳会在明年1月中下旬后再做交易决定,接下来10-15场比赛的最终结果将决定太阳以各种方式进行交易

Are the Suns interested in Jimmy Butler? The answer is it depends. The Suns were 11-2 with KD so I would expect they give the roster until mid/late January before making a decision - How they play in the next 10-15 games will ultimately determine what they will do trade wise.
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Gambo:我预计太阳会在明年1月中下旬后再做交易决定,接下来10-15场比赛的最终结果将决定太阳以各种方式进行交易

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Suns injury report at Jazz:

Kevin Durant (ankle) PROBABLE.

Jusuf Nurkic (thigh), Ryan Dunn (ankle) and Grayson Allen (ankle) aren't on injury report.
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D先生明天大概率出战,努尔基奇、邓恩、功夫阿伦都已不在伤病名单中

Suns injury report at Jazz:

Kevin Durant (ankle) PROBABLE.

Jusuf Nurkic (thigh), Ryan Dunn (ankle) and Grayson Allen (ankle) aren't on injury report.
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D先生明天大概率出战,努尔基奇、邓恩、功夫阿伦都已不在伤病名单中

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The Heat did not have an appetite to take on Bradley Beal’s contract when they were his original preferred destination in 2023.With Beal’s drop in production, plus being paid $110 million over the final two years of his contract, it’s hard to see that changing now.The Suns would need to involve a third team that not only is willing to take on Beal’s salary, but also a destination he would sign off on with a no-trade clause.A complicated situation, but one Phoenix appears ready to further explore soon to potentially acquire Jimmy Butler.--Evan Sidery:热火对比尔的兴趣不大,太阳需要找到第三方接手比尔的合同,同时比尔还要愿意为这支球队放弃交易否决权

The Heat did not have an appetite to take on Bradley Beal’s contract when they were his original preferred destination in 2023.

With Beal’s drop in production, plus being paid $110 million over the final two years of his contract, it’s hard to see that changing now.

The Suns would need to involve a third team that not only is willing to take on Beal’s salary, but also a destination he would sign off on with a no-trade clause.

A complicated situation, but one Phoenix appears ready to further explore soon to potentially acquire Jimmy Butler.
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Evan Sidery:热火对比尔的兴趣不大,太阳需要找到第三方接手比尔的合同,同时比尔还要愿意为这支球队放弃交易否决权

比尔ncaa在佛罗里达,跟阿德巴约又是好基友,他估计自己是愿意去热火的

比尔ncaa在佛罗里达,跟阿德巴约又是好基友,他估计自己是愿意去热火的

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What we have said is 1) Jimmy Butler is interested in the Suns 2) I expect the Suns are going to play this out for the next 15 games or so to see where they are at before doing anything - see if they can get right. 3) Trade would be difficult not impossible. Beal has to waive no trade. Butler has to tell Miami it's Phoenix or bust basically force his way here. Miami has to think Beal and whatever picks would be involved is better than salary relief or another trade. Nothing happening anytime soon. Suns play well next month I doubt they would pursue this.
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Gambo自己概括了下:1、阿酸对加盟太阳感兴趣;2、交易不会这么快就发生,预计15场比赛后太阳会进行评估;3、交易很困难,但并非不可能(比尔必须放弃交易否决权,阿酸自己也必须主动申请交易,非太阳不去);4、如果太阳下个月的战绩恢复稳定,怀疑太阳会放弃交易。”

What we have said is 1) Jimmy Butler is interested in the Suns 2) I expect the Suns are going to play this out for the next 15 games or so to see where they are at before doing anything - see if they can get right. 3) Trade would be difficult not impossible. Beal has to waive no trade. Butler has to tell Miami it's Phoenix or bust basically force his way here. Miami has to think Beal and whatever picks would be involved is better than salary relief or another trade. Nothing happening anytime soon. Suns play well next month I doubt they would pursue this.
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Gambo自己概括了下:1、阿酸对加盟太阳感兴趣;2、交易不会这么快就发生,预计15场比赛后太阳会进行评估;3、交易很困难,但并非不可能(比尔必须放弃交易否决权,阿酸自己也必须主动申请交易,非太阳不去);4、如果太阳下个月的战绩恢复稳定,怀疑太阳会放弃交易。”

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比尔的交易否决权还能失效吗。那太阳是不是可以先谈成一笔比尔肯定不会愿意的交易,迫使他使用一次否决权。

比尔的交易否决权还能失效吗。那太阳是不是可以先谈成一笔比尔肯定不会愿意的交易,迫使他使用一次否决权。

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What we have said is 1) Jimmy Butler is interested in the Suns 2) I expect the Suns are going to play this out for the next 15 games or so to see where they are at before doing anything - see if they can get right. 3) Trade would be difficult not impossible. Beal has to waive no trade. Butler has to tell Miami it's Phoenix or bust basically force his way here. Miami has to think Beal and whatever picks would be involved is better than salary relief or another trade. Nothing happening anytime soon. Suns play well next month I doubt they would pursue this.--Gambo自己概括了下:1、阿酸对加盟太阳感兴趣;2、交易不会这么快就发生,预计15场比赛后太阳会进行评估;3、交易很困难,但并非不可能(比尔必须放弃交易否决权,阿酸自己也必须主动申请交易,非太阳不去);4、如果太阳下个月的战绩恢复稳定,怀疑太阳会放弃交易。”

What we have said is 1) Jimmy Butler is interested in the Suns 2) I expect the Suns are going to play this out for the next 15 games or so to see where they are at before doing anything - see if they can get right. 3) Trade would be difficult not impossible. Beal has to waive no trade. Butler has to tell Miami it's Phoenix or bust basically force his way here. Miami has to think Beal and whatever picks would be involved is better than salary relief or another trade. Nothing happening anytime soon. Suns play well next month I doubt they would pursue this.
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Gambo自己概括了下:1、阿酸对加盟太阳感兴趣;2、交易不会这么快就发生,预计15场比赛后太阳会进行评估;3、交易很困难,但并非不可能(比尔必须放弃交易否决权,阿酸自己也必须主动申请交易,非太阳不去);4、如果太阳下个月的战绩恢复稳定,怀疑太阳会放弃交易。”

个人观点:这笔交易本赛季达成的概率非常非常小
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1、阿酸目前并没有主动提出交易申请(有Shams的消息源),只是在阿酸合同还剩下1年半(2025-26赛季PO)的背景下,热火单方面对他交易价值的一个试探(个人判断),而太阳属于阿酸阵营圈定的,若有交易发生比较心仪的球队之一(有Shams和Gambo的消息源);

2、热火很难被迫去接手布拉德利-比尔剩余2年半(2026-27赛季PO),金额超过1.2e,同时带有完整交易否决权的合同;

3、出于劳资协议、薪资空间及人员配置等多方面的原因,太阳需要找到真正的第三方去接手比尔的合同,这件事发生的前提是:(1)比尔不使用交易否决权;(2)太阳方面需要对接手比尔的第三方进行补偿(比如选秀权);(3)热火需要满意第三方送出的筹码,如果不满意,需要太阳方面补差价;

4、在nba的交易逻辑里,交易的核心永远是球员的合同,比尔这份还剩3年1.61e的合同,就是这笔交易最大的障碍(更何况他本赛季的表现+出勤依然很一般)

个人观点:这笔交易本赛季达成的概率非常非常小
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1、阿酸目前并没有主动提出交易申请(有Shams的消息源),只是在阿酸合同还剩下1年半(2025-26赛季PO)的背景下,热火单方面对他交易价值的一个试探(个人判断),而太阳属于阿酸阵营圈定的,若有交易发生比较心仪的球队之一(有Shams和Gambo的消息源);

2、热火很难被迫去接手布拉德利-比尔剩余2年半(2026-27赛季PO),金额超过1.2e,同时带有完整交易否决权的合同;

3、出于劳资协议、薪资空间及人员配置等多方面的原因,太阳需要找到真正的第三方去接手比尔的合同,这件事发生的前提是:(1)比尔不使用交易否决权;(2)太阳方面需要对接手比尔的第三方进行补偿(比如选秀权);(3)热火需要满意第三方送出的筹码,如果不满意,需要太阳方面补差价;

4、在nba的交易逻辑里,交易的核心永远是球员的合同,比尔这份还剩3年1.61e的合同,就是这笔交易最大的障碍(更何况他本赛季的表现+出勤依然很一般)

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比尔的交易否决权还能失效吗。那太阳是不是可以先谈成一笔比尔肯定不会愿意的交易,迫使他使用一次否决权。

比尔的交易否决权还能失效吗。那太阳是不是可以先谈成一笔比尔肯定不会愿意的交易,迫使他使用一次否决权。

这个逻辑是行不通的,nba的交易程序(Procedures)是一个很严谨过程

这个逻辑是行不通的,nba的交易程序(Procedures)是一个很严谨过程

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比尔ncaa在佛罗里达,跟阿德巴约又是好基友,他估计自己是愿意去热火的

比尔ncaa在佛罗里达,跟阿德巴约又是好基友,他估计自己是愿意去热火的

比尔是否会放弃交易否决权,其实并不是这笔交易里最大的障碍

比尔是否会放弃交易否决权,其实并不是这笔交易里最大的障碍

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