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只是规则改一改球员投射就变高了?和训练水平以及科学没关系?就98总决赛马龙的两个后卫搭档总决赛6场就进了2个三分球,是规则不让他们三分线投篮?大空位不出手还一头往篮下扎,要么就传球,作为小个子白人得分后卫,还没远投,放今天上不上的了场都不一定

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只是规则改一改球员投射就变高了?和训练水平以及科学没关系?就98总决赛马龙的两个后卫搭档总决赛6场就进了2个三分球,是规则不让他们三分线投篮?大空位不出手还一头往篮下扎,要么就传球,作为小个子白人得分后卫,还没远投,放今天上不上的了场都不一定

你想知道为何比赛风格会改变, NBA官方告诉你,他们制定规则,他们清楚改规则后的风格变化
当时制定规则联盟副总裁斯图杰克逊的采访
NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.

提问:自从04~05年修改规则 ,比赛变的开放,球员们开放式的突破,结果来说,分数每年都在增加,这些在04年都被预计到了么?

回答:不,增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手,前臂,身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些,我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破,就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮,他们会投进更多。

NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?

SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.

提问:自从修改规则后,篮下,近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶,特别是 三分命中率。

回答:不,随着规则的改变,防守突破要难的多,防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破,控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器,所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。

NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?

SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.

NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?

SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.

提问:现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益?举个例子,侧翼和前场球员。

回答:它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么,如果球员空间拉开更大,更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外,因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手,他就有更多的空间在低位单打。

NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?

SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.

提问:在现在的环境下,教练们会怎么样调整?他们现在做的有哪些不同

回答:教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术,2人当差。不过要执行这些,他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。

NBA官方说的很清楚,削弱外线对抗,让突破更自由导致轮转更难,需要更多补,而更多补又会造成更多外线空档,难以轮转,给外线投篮巨大空档,为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势,所以在配置上更多用三分射手,同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。

这么一来二去,三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手,让他们有更多的1对1和空间。

这才是前因后果和逻辑原因,给外线打法开绿灯,是一切的源头和开始。

而为何给外线开绿灯,就是乔丹在90年代的成功,让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba,持续吸引球迷,持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。

你想知道为何比赛风格会改变, NBA官方告诉你,他们制定规则,他们清楚改规则后的风格变化
当时制定规则联盟副总裁斯图杰克逊的采访
NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.

提问:自从04~05年修改规则 ,比赛变的开放,球员们开放式的突破,结果来说,分数每年都在增加,这些在04年都被预计到了么?

回答:不,增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手,前臂,身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些,我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破,就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮,他们会投进更多。

NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?

SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.

提问:自从修改规则后,篮下,近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶,特别是 三分命中率。

回答:不,随着规则的改变,防守突破要难的多,防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破,控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器,所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。

NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?

SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.

NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?

SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.

提问:现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益?举个例子,侧翼和前场球员。

回答:它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么,如果球员空间拉开更大,更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外,因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手,他就有更多的空间在低位单打。

NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?

SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.

提问:在现在的环境下,教练们会怎么样调整?他们现在做的有哪些不同

回答:教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术,2人当差。不过要执行这些,他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。

NBA官方说的很清楚,削弱外线对抗,让突破更自由导致轮转更难,需要更多补,而更多补又会造成更多外线空档,难以轮转,给外线投篮巨大空档,为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势,所以在配置上更多用三分射手,同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。

这么一来二去,三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手,让他们有更多的1对1和空间。

这才是前因后果和逻辑原因,给外线打法开绿灯,是一切的源头和开始。

而为何给外线开绿灯,就是乔丹在90年代的成功,让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba,持续吸引球迷,持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。

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要不是我们都看了比赛。。

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要不是我们都看了比赛。。

这逼这辈子都活在乔丹的阴影下了,信口开河,

这逼这辈子都活在乔丹的阴影下了,信口开河,

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整半天也就是2次总决赛啊,文子是个二当家,又不像老张要竞争够忑,还是说老张需要这个级别的队友才行,文子水平不配当老张的二当家。

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整半天也就是2次总决赛啊,文子是个二当家,又不像老张要竞争够忑,还是说老张需要这个级别的队友才行,文子水平不配当老张的二当家。

一阵一防的皮蓬在你们眼里都是够水的了,欧文哪能排的上号啊。

一阵一防的皮蓬在你们眼里都是够水的了,欧文哪能排的上号啊。

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他难道不是坏孩子代表?队长是他,兰比尔是红棍,罗德曼是混混。

他难道不是坏孩子代表?队长是他,兰比尔是红棍,罗德曼是混混。

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1.乔丹打到人头你知道对面的反应吗?2.乔丹打到人头没被吹犯规吗?3.超音速对乔丹有大量如图所示的犯规不被吹,是个人被这么对待都会有情绪

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1.乔丹打到人头你知道对面的反应吗?
2.乔丹打到人头没被吹犯规吗?
3.超音速对乔丹有大量如图所示的犯规不被吹,是个人被这么对待都会有情绪

你可别给我在这里扯牛蛋了,这一场是总决赛g2,这人(名字拗口)打完乔丹脑袋后乔丹就站上罚球线了,而且乔丹这一场是16个罚球,裁判敢不给?公牛2比0之后胜负天秤一边倒了之后几场联盟为了维持悬念才少給了乔丹的哨子。而且贴脸怒喷裁判裁判连个屁都不敢放一个这还不够特权?

你可别给我在这里扯牛蛋了,这一场是总决赛g2,这人(名字拗口)打完乔丹脑袋后乔丹就站上罚球线了,而且乔丹这一场是16个罚球,裁判敢不给?公牛2比0之后胜负天秤一边倒了之后几场联盟为了维持悬念才少給了乔丹的哨子。而且贴脸怒喷裁判裁判连个屁都不敢放一个这还不够特权?

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所以球员能力=投射能力?那么多给外线开绿灯的规则,自然有利于外线投射再说乔丹那个时代的球员从小练球的时候甚至没有三分线,投射训练量和习惯,教练思维,球队战术都有一个逐渐转变的过程,连这个都不懂吗?

所以球员能力=投射能力?
那么多给外线开绿灯的规则,自然有利于外线投射
再说乔丹那个时代的球员从小练球的时候甚至没有三分线,投射训练量和习惯,教练思维,球队战术都有一个逐渐转变的过程,连这个都不懂吗?

投射能力还不能反应联盟整体水平的提升?非要像90年代那样被人三分线放空两步远还要持球左右张望,或者大空位不出手投篮而是一头扎进去顶人上两分才反应联盟整体技术水平高?

投射能力还不能反应联盟整体水平的提升?非要像90年代那样被人三分线放空两步远还要持球左右张望,或者大空位不出手投篮而是一头扎进去顶人上两分才反应联盟整体技术水平高?

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怪不得那时候乔丹不允许托马斯去梦一,真是又脏又颠倒黑白

怪不得那时候乔丹不允许托马斯去梦一,真是又脏又颠倒黑白

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一阵一防的皮蓬在你们眼里都是够水的了,欧文哪能排的上号啊。

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一阵一防的皮蓬在你们眼里都是够水的了,欧文哪能排的上号啊。

我是觉得欧文和皮蓬差不多水平,只是要达到老张粉丝口中的带乔丹拿总冠军这个程度,那确实是水的很。但老张粉丝不止欧文,韦德乐福博士这些一个都没放过啊。

我是觉得欧文和皮蓬差不多水平,只是要达到老张粉丝口中的带乔丹拿总冠军这个程度,那确实是水的很。但老张粉丝不止欧文,韦德乐福博士这些一个都没放过啊。

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投射能力还不能反应联盟整体水平的提升?非要像90年代那样被人三分线放空两步远还要持球左右张望,或者大空位不出手投篮而是一头扎进去顶人上两分才反应联盟整体技术水平高?

投射能力还不能反应联盟整体水平的提升?非要像90年代那样被人三分线放空两步远还要持球左右张望,或者大空位不出手投篮而是一头扎进去顶人上两分才反应联盟整体技术水平高?

以偏概全,球员能力≠投射能力,这是显而易见的
在战术上不鼓励,意愿上不强烈投三分的年代,内线能力、背身技术出色就能让角色球员获得打球机会,这些是如今角色球员相对缺乏的;如今角色球员大量3d化,因为这样能找到饭碗
你不能直接对比前后两者所谓的能力,是极其片面的认知,因为正常人都知道技术不单纯指投射技术

以偏概全,球员能力≠投射能力,这是显而易见的
在战术上不鼓励,意愿上不强烈投三分的年代,内线能力、背身技术出色就能让角色球员获得打球机会,这些是如今角色球员相对缺乏的;如今角色球员大量3d化,因为这样能找到饭碗
你不能直接对比前后两者所谓的能力,是极其片面的认知,因为正常人都知道技术不单纯指投射技术

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你想知道为何比赛风格会改变, NBA官方告诉你,他们制定规则,他们清楚改规则后的风格变化当时制定规则联盟副总裁斯图杰克逊的采访NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004? SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them. 提问:自从04~05年修改规则 ,比赛变的开放,球员们开放式的突破,结果来说,分数每年都在增加,这些在04年都被预计到了么? 回答:不,增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手,前臂,身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些,我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破,就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮,他们会投进更多。 NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range? SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate. 提问:自从修改规则后,篮下,近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶,特别是 三分命中率。 回答:不,随着规则的改变,防守突破要难的多,防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破,控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器,所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。 NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development? SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game. NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players? SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post. 提问:现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益?举个例子,侧翼和前场球员。 回答:它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么,如果球员空间拉开更大,更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外,因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手,他就有更多的空间在低位单打。 NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently? SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter. 提问:在现在的环境下,教练们会怎么样调整?他们现在做的有哪些不同 回答:教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术,2人当差。不过要执行这些,他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。 NBA官方说的很清楚,削弱外线对抗,让突破更自由导致轮转更难,需要更多补,而更多补又会造成更多外线空档,难以轮转,给外线投篮巨大空档,为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势,所以在配置上更多用三分射手,同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。 这么一来二去,三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手,让他们有更多的1对1和空间。 这才是前因后果和逻辑原因,给外线打法开绿灯,是一切的源头和开始。 而为何给外线开绿灯,就是乔丹在90年代的成功,让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba,持续吸引球迷,持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。

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你想知道为何比赛风格会改变, NBA官方告诉你,他们制定规则,他们清楚改规则后的风格变化
当时制定规则联盟副总裁斯图杰克逊的采访
NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.

提问:自从04~05年修改规则 ,比赛变的开放,球员们开放式的突破,结果来说,分数每年都在增加,这些在04年都被预计到了么?

回答:不,增加得分并不是我们的目的。我们的目的在通过禁止球员用手,前臂,身体顶防运球者从而给于进攻更多的自由。通过这些,我们鼓励更多的突破。而当球员更多的突破,就能给运球者回传给外线的射手提供更高质量的投篮机会。当球员们得到更高质量的投篮以及有更多的时间准备投篮,他们会投进更多。

NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?

SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.

提问:自从修改规则后,篮下,近距离投篮和三分的命中率都提升了。这是否让你感到惊讶,特别是 三分命中率。

回答:不,随着规则的改变,防守突破要难的多,防守轮转到位也困难的多。这让射手有更多的时间调整投篮高质量的完成他们。随着更多的突破,控球手们获得更多攻击篮下的机会。而球队现在意识到三分是个追分利器,所以他们投的更多了。他们提高了三分。

NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?

SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.

NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?

SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.

提问:现在的风格是否让某些特型球员受益?举个例子,侧翼和前场球员。

回答:它不只让外线球员受益。现在的比赛也让低位球员同样受易。记得么,如果球员空间拉开更大,更利用球场空间。防守就会扩的更外,因为他们是好的射手。这样就会让中路空间更大。如果一只球队有个好的低位选手,他就有更多的空间在低位单打。

NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?

SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.

提问:在现在的环境下,教练们会怎么样调整?他们现在做的有哪些不同

回答:教练已经开始利用现在规则上能拉开更多的空间的优势设计更多更好拉开空间的突破战术,2人当差。不过要执行这些,他们必须有正确的配置-更多的射手和控球者。

NBA官方说的很清楚,削弱外线对抗,让突破更自由导致轮转更难,需要更多补,而更多补又会造成更多外线空档,难以轮转,给外线投篮巨大空档,为了利用好这种突破+巨大空档的优势,所以在配置上更多用三分射手,同时在战术上更多的用挡拆。

这么一来二去,三分射手又反过来回馈单打手和突破手,让他们有更多的1对1和空间。

这才是前因后果和逻辑原因,给外线打法开绿灯,是一切的源头和开始。

而为何给外线开绿灯,就是乔丹在90年代的成功,让nba想持续让这种外线成功持续留在nba,持续吸引球迷,持续维持巨大的市场和经济利益。

打了这么一段落,后辈都是吃红利,前辈都是啃硬骨头是吧?你怎么不说相对于更早期的年代,乔丹他们那一辈也在吃规则改变的红利?NBA为了把大个子中锋从篮下赶出来,不让外线球员进去吃帽设立了三秒区,是不是也可以说乔丹拿到5.60年代打不了球?进内线就得被远古中锋給打出屎来。张伯伦除了说过乔丹是喷气式飞机之外,还说过联盟改变规则是为了限制他,而后面改变规则是为了帮助乔丹?上古球员也可以拿出来当枪黑一下了

打了这么一段落,后辈都是吃红利,前辈都是啃硬骨头是吧?你怎么不说相对于更早期的年代,乔丹他们那一辈也在吃规则改变的红利?NBA为了把大个子中锋从篮下赶出来,不让外线球员进去吃帽设立了三秒区,是不是也可以说乔丹拿到5.60年代打不了球?进内线就得被远古中锋給打出屎来。张伯伦除了说过乔丹是喷气式飞机之外,还说过联盟改变规则是为了限制他,而后面改变规则是为了帮助乔丹?上古球员也可以拿出来当枪黑一下了

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坏小子军团只是变老了,不是变好了

坏小子军团只是变老了,不是变好了

罗德曼对他的公牛老大哥还是服服帖帖的

罗德曼对他的公牛老大哥还是服服帖帖的

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我是觉得欧文和皮蓬差不多水平,只是要达到老张粉丝口中的带乔丹拿总冠军这个程度,那确实是水的很。但老张粉丝不止欧文,韦德乐福博士这些一个都没放过啊。

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我是觉得欧文和皮蓬差不多水平,只是要达到老张粉丝口中的带乔丹拿总冠军这个程度,那确实是水的很。但老张粉丝不止欧文,韦德乐福博士这些一个都没放过啊。

皮蓬90年代实打实做了几年小前锋第一的位置,欧文啥荣誉没有就对标人家三一阵,和你讨论就跟和小孩儿争论一样,就依你吧

皮蓬90年代实打实做了几年小前锋第一的位置,欧文啥荣誉没有就对标人家三一阵,和你讨论就跟和小孩儿争论一样,就依你吧

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你可别给我在这里扯牛蛋了,这一场是总决赛g2,这人(名字拗口)打完乔丹脑袋后乔丹就站上罚球线了,而且乔丹这一场是16个罚球,裁判敢不给?公牛2比0之后胜负天秤一边倒了之后几场联盟为了维持悬念才少給了乔丹的哨子。而且贴脸怒喷裁判裁判连个屁都不敢放一个这还不够特权?

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你可别给我在这里扯牛蛋了,这一场是总决赛g2,这人(名字拗口)打完乔丹脑袋后乔丹就站上罚球线了,而且乔丹这一场是16个罚球,裁判敢不给?公牛2比0之后胜负天秤一边倒了之后几场联盟为了维持悬念才少給了乔丹的哨子。而且贴脸怒喷裁判裁判连个屁都不敢放一个这还不够特权?

1.所以作为类比你要不回答一下我上条回复里的1和2?
2.你拿罚球数量来证明有些对乔丹的犯规没吹有任何逻辑关系?要不你先去捋一捋?
3.那个年代对裁判所谓“贴脸开大”没有处罚的少吗?这算特权?

1.所以作为类比你要不回答一下我上条回复里的1和2?
2.你拿罚球数量来证明有些对乔丹的犯规没吹有任何逻辑关系?要不你先去捋一捋?
3.那个年代对裁判所谓“贴脸开大”没有处罚的少吗?这算特权?

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打了这么一段落,后辈都是吃红利,前辈都是啃硬骨头是吧?你怎么不说相对于更早期的年代,乔丹他们那一辈也在吃规则改变的红利?NBA为了把大个子中锋从篮下赶出来,不让外线球员进去吃帽设立了三秒区,是不是也可以说乔丹拿到5.60年代打不了球?进内线就得被远古中锋給打出屎来。张伯伦除了说过乔丹是喷气式飞机之外,还说过联盟改变规则是为了限制他,而后面改变规则是为了帮助乔丹?上古球员也可以拿出来当枪黑一下了

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打了这么一段落,后辈都是吃红利,前辈都是啃硬骨头是吧?你怎么不说相对于更早期的年代,乔丹他们那一辈也在吃规则改变的红利?NBA为了把大个子中锋从篮下赶出来,不让外线球员进去吃帽设立了三秒区,是不是也可以说乔丹拿到5.60年代打不了球?进内线就得被远古中锋給打出屎来。张伯伦除了说过乔丹是喷气式飞机之外,还说过联盟改变规则是为了限制他,而后面改变规则是为了帮助乔丹?上古球员也可以拿出来当枪黑一下了

水平太低了,当年设3秒区是限制大中锋进攻,那时候只有进攻3秒,防守方在篮下想蹲多久就蹲多久。

nba出防守三秒都是02年的事了,乔丹什么时候得到过联盟帮忙拉开内线空间的待遇了,这些享受者不都是我们老张吗?

水平太低了,当年设3秒区是限制大中锋进攻,那时候只有进攻3秒,防守方在篮下想蹲多久就蹲多久。

nba出防守三秒都是02年的事了,乔丹什么时候得到过联盟帮忙拉开内线空间的待遇了,这些享受者不都是我们老张吗?

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打了这么一段落,后辈都是吃红利,前辈都是啃硬骨头是吧?你怎么不说相对于更早期的年代,乔丹他们那一辈也在吃规则改变的红利?NBA为了把大个子中锋从篮下赶出来,不让外线球员进去吃帽设立了三秒区,是不是也可以说乔丹拿到5.60年代打不了球?进内线就得被远古中锋給打出屎来。张伯伦除了说过乔丹是喷气式飞机之外,还说过联盟改变规则是为了限制他,而后面改变规则是为了帮助乔丹?上古球员也可以拿出来当枪黑一下了

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打了这么一段落,后辈都是吃红利,前辈都是啃硬骨头是吧?你怎么不说相对于更早期的年代,乔丹他们那一辈也在吃规则改变的红利?NBA为了把大个子中锋从篮下赶出来,不让外线球员进去吃帽设立了三秒区,是不是也可以说乔丹拿到5.60年代打不了球?进内线就得被远古中锋給打出屎来。张伯伦除了说过乔丹是喷气式飞机之外,还说过联盟改变规则是为了限制他,而后面改变规则是为了帮助乔丹?上古球员也可以拿出来当枪黑一下了

啥玩意?先把防守三秒什么时候出台的搞清楚,到底是谁吃了红利?
还提张伯伦,张伯伦可是这么说的

啥玩意?先把防守三秒什么时候出台的搞清楚,到底是谁吃了红利?
还提张伯伦,张伯伦可是这么说的

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