最近20年，最争议的三个MVP

湿乎乎的话题

看球以来，你见过最离谱的场面是哪个？

[流言板]布朗尼：像梦一样，感激雷迪克和佩林卡给予我这一切

20年前，他们四个真的是同一个档次的球员吗？

湖人媒体人：听说湖人给克莱的报价高达4年8000万。

Woj：勇士试图从爵士交易得到马尔卡宁！

[流言板]布朗尼选择9号球衣向自己的朋友Juice WRLD致敬

u1s1，论实力米切尔应该是现在的第一分位吧

16年G6未吹罚走不+翻腕集锦

关于科比的一点疑惑……

[流言板]布朗尼：从未真正想过和父亲一起打球，我只想着努力训练

[流言板]雷迪克：湖人夏季联赛教练确定，布朗尼和克内克特将参赛

[流言板]雷迪克：布朗尼努力训练赢得了一切，他会成为出色的球员

带着欧文加福德小琼斯华盛顿进总决和被布朗猪哥小白铂金带着夺冠哪个难

我发现詹姆斯被人诟病，并不是他自己的问题

备战奥运轻松扣篮！外媒晒文班亚马国家队训练视频

我的goat是我老妈<img src="https://i5.hoopchina.com.cn/newsPost/rc-upload-1675820196123-23/1675859274837-79ffea02.webp?x-oss-process=image/resize,w_225/qulity,Q_60"/>

所以我希望给他找一个好归宿嘛<img src="https://i5.hoopchina.com.cn/newsPost/rc-upload-1675820196123-23/1675859274837-79ffea02.webp?x-oss-process=image/resize,w_800/format,webp"/>

你是忘了阿汤一次次怎么救你勇于水火的了<img src="https://i5.hoopchina.com.cn/hupuapp/bbs/268/27421268/thread_27421268_20220317112134_s_101479_w_855_h_861_74144.jpg?x-oss-process=image/resize,w_800/format,webp"/>

就比斯利这种瘾君子，脑子没个正常时候，听他说啥重要吗<img src="https://i5.hoopchina.com.cn/hupuapp/bbs/109/37338109/thread_37338109_20210220183736_s_5420718_o_w_550_h_550_29803.gif?x-oss-process=image/resize,w_800/format,webp"/>

北京时间6月26日，近日，前NBA球员迈克尔-比斯利在参加哈斯勒姆的播客节目《The OGs Show》中再一次谈到了GOAT的话题。

比斯利表示：“我觉得那些称乔丹为GOAT的人，并没有不敬的意思，但他们只是想找一些怀旧的感觉而已。我想说他（詹姆斯）有4万分，加上他过往的那些成就，他非常棒的照顾着自己的身体，他对待自己就像一台机器一样运转。”

这一言论也引起了媒体和球迷们的热议，球迷们纷纷表示：球员可能退役，但成就不会褪色。

乔丹是GOAT！！！皮蓬很棒，但乔丹不必与米勒和大卫-罗宾逊联手才能赢得总冠军。”

MJ is the goat!!! Pippen was great but Jordan didn’t have to team up with Miller and Robinson to win a title

[-]“这就是重点，他没必要这么做，因为90年代缺乏天才球员。罗德曼和伯德完美地解释了这一点😂。”

that’s the point, he didn’t have to because of the lack of talent during the 90’s. Rodman and Bird explained it perfectly😂

[--]“笑死我了，艾尔-霍福德的老鹰在詹姆斯/库里时代赢了60场比赛，这在80年代到90年代是不会发生的。纳什在80年代到90年代不会赢得MVP，更不用说连续两次获得MVP了。这个说法是从哪里来的？奥尼尔在90年代被横扫了5次，然后神奇地主宰了一个优越的时代？ 🤣”

LMAO Al Horford Hawks won 60 games in LeBron/Curry Era that's not happening in the 80s-90s. Nash isn't winning a mvp let alone back-2-back MVPs in the 80s-90s. Where has this myth come from? Shaq was swept 5 times in the 90s and then magically dominated a superior era? 🤣

[4]“詹姆斯无需向主场统计员支付费用就能获得更好的数据……詹姆斯明显更好。”

ron didn’t have to pay his home scorekeeper for better stats… LeBron clears easily

[-]“乔丹可以在不提及数据的情况下提出他的GOAT论据。

詹姆斯真的做不到。无法解释总决赛4-6，被库里和其他精英球队横扫的原因。

为什么GOAT经常是大卫而不是歌利亚？当GOAT击败一个6尺2寸的pg时，为什么会感到沮丧？“

Jordan can make his goat case without ever mentioning a stat. 

Lebron literally can’t. Can’t explain away 4-6 and all them sweeps to curry and other elite teams. 

How is the GOAT constantly David and not Goliath? Why is it an upset when the GOAT beats a 6’2 pg?

我的GOAT击败了有史以来常规赛胜场最多的球队，总决赛还是以1-3落后完成逆转。总决赛并且在4-5个统计类别中高于两支球队的所有人

My goat beat the team with the best winning record ever, while down 1-3 I. The nba finals and averaged more than both teams in 4-5 stat categories。“

[7]”比斯利已经35岁了，这意味着当乔丹退役的时候，他已经9岁了，几乎没有意识。在那个年纪，他怎么会了解乔丹呢？“

Beasley is 35, which means by the time MJ retired, dude was 9 years old and barely conscious. What would he know about MJ at that age?

[-]”这个借口已经用完了。网络上到处都是乔丹的比赛录像。“

That’s excuse is played out. Theres Jordan game film everywhere

[--]”在乔丹退役30年后，比斯利仍在谈论乔丹，这证明乔丹仍是人们心中GOAT。“

Beasley talking about Jordan after 30 years of MJ retiring is proof Jordan is still the goat

乔丹从未像2011年的詹姆斯那样在总决赛中拉跨。这就是为什么在很多人眼中詹姆斯永远不会代替乔丹成为GOAT的主要原因。“

Jordan never choked in a finals like Bron did in 2011. That's a major reason why in a lot of ppl eyes Bron will never be the goat over Jordan.

[-]”（乔丹）从来没有打过比他更好的球队，而且还是在客场赢下抢七大战。乔丹在总决赛和哪个王朝打过。你真的说不出来。Showtime湖人的时代在1989年就结束了。而詹姆斯连续6次在总决赛中与马刺和勇士交手。这是一个比喻。乔丹不是有史以来最好的。“

Never once played a better team either, and won G7 on the road. Name 1 dynasty Jordan played in the FINALS. You literally can’t. Showtime was over by 1989. Bron played Spurs and GSW in 6 straight Finals. It’s a trope. Jordan is not the best of ALL TIME.

[--]”我不明白这种说法。乔丹从来没有打过比他们更好的球队？你是说因为他们是王朝球队，也是最好的球队？这种说法毫无道理。如果詹姆斯是GOAT，那为什么热火队不是王朝球队？“

I don’t understand this take. Never once played a better team? You mean because they were the dynasty and were the best team? That take makes no sense. If Lebron was the goat then why weren’t the Heat a dynasty?

人们唯一能反对詹姆斯（是GOAT）的事情就是总冠军戒指，因为个人数据无法比较。“

The only thing people ever say against bron is the rings because the individual stats don’t compare.

[-]”乔丹生涯的15年和詹姆斯生涯的前15年相比，没有可比性。MJ是🐐。“

Michael’s 15 years to LeBron’s first 15 years, there’s no contest. MJ 🐐

”你的意思是乔丹在更短的时间内取得了更高的成就。他没有让其他超级巨星在他的时代赢得4枚总冠军戒指。他没有组建超级球队。在困难时期没有跳槽。他让NBA和篮球运动成为全世界关注的焦点。乔丹更强“

You mean the fact that Jordan accomplished more in less time. Didn’t allow another superstar to win 4 rings In his era. Didn’t build super teams. Didn’t jump ship when times were tough. The dude who put the nba and basketball as a whole on a map for the whole world. Jordan clears

他可以随心所欲地说我守旧，MJ就是GOAT。“

He can feel that way about me all he wants, MJ is the GOAT.

[-]”不，我宁愿科比的5冠大于乔丹的6冠！乔丹在80年代无法战胜伯德、托马斯、魔术师和贾巴尔！他们离开或老去后，他才赢了！在91-98年，他主宰了一个相对他的位置来说很弱的时代得分后卫位置上有很多弱的球星。“

Nah I’ll take kobes 5 over mj 6 any day! Mj couldn’t win in the 80’s against bird or thomas, or magic & kareem! He won once they left or got old! Dominated a weak era for his position, weak stars for the sg position from 91-98

[--]”他们永远不会承认这一点，我问他们，在皮蓬和三角进攻出现之前，乔丹的季后赛战绩是多少。我笑了，詹姆斯是有史以来全方位最伟大的篮球运动员，这也不难理解。“

They will forever never acknowledge this, I ask em what’s Jordan’s playoff record before pippen and crickets lmao Lebron is single-handedly the greatest best all around overall basketball player to ever play on the hardwood it’s not hard to comprehend neither

[19]”我从高中开始就一直这么说。

是时候向前看了。我们所有人都没有亲眼看到那个男人的比赛。只是看了一些精彩片段和我们的长辈告诉我们的内容。

在我的GOAT名单中，艾弗森都比乔丹更受欢迎。“

It’s time to move on.. All of us didn’t see that man play LIVE. Just highlights and what our older folks told us..

Allen Iverson is on my 🐐 list over Jordan.

[-]”这就是问题所在，如果你年纪还小，没看过他们俩的比赛，那就听听那些看过他们俩比赛的人的意见吧。詹姆斯是一名身体素质很强的球员，就像奥尼尔一样，只是位置不同。然而，乔丹是一名技术更娴熟的球员，一点也不逊色。“

And that’s the problem, if you aren’t old enough to have watched them both play, take it from the people that watched them both play. Lebron is a physical dominator, like how Shaq was just from a different position. Jordan, however, was a much more skilled player, not close.