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北京时间5月24日,前NBA球员钱德勒-帕森斯在参加FanDuel的节目《Run It Back》时谈到了东契奇和拉里-伯德的比较问题。
帕森斯表示:“在我看来,东契奇目前已经比拉里-伯德更出色了。”这一言论也引起了媒体和球迷们的热议,球迷们纷纷表示:别捧杀了。
[1]“这是正确的,但也并非完全正确。这项运动的发展太疯狂了。”
This is correct and it’s not close either. The game has evolved like crazy.
[-]“当今NBA中的任何一位球员都比80年代的任何一位球员更优秀。不考虑时代背景来比较球员是愚蠢的。”
Every single player in the NBA is better than every single player in the NBA in the 80’s. It’s dumb to compare players without the context of their era
[--]“等到30年后,人们由会说当今联盟中的任何一个人都比现在在打球的每个球员都更优秀了,包括詹姆斯、库里、杜兰特等……每一代人都会选出他们自己认为最好的球员。很简单。”
30 years from now people will say everyone in the NBA is better than everyone in the NBA playing now including Lebron, Steph, KD etc...each generation picks their own as the best. Simple.
[4]“不,他不是,笑死我了。拉里-伯德可是历史前十。”
No he’s not lmfao.. Larry Bird is top 10 All-Time
[-]“你是根据职业生涯来判断的。从技术上讲,东契奇的水平比他高出很多。即使伯德实际上防守还可以。”
You basing off of career. Skill wise Luka is leagues ahead of him. Even w/ Bird actually playing on the defensive end
[--]“你会发现,球员排名涉及很多因素,而不仅仅是谁更优秀。
比如,你提到的那个人离史上最伟大的10名球员还差得很远,但他却能跻身前十,因为他“改变了比赛”并“确立了某种文化”。”
You see there’s a lot of things involved in player ranking, not just who’s better.
Your guy, for example, is not remotely close to being one of the 10 best basketball players of all time, but he ranks top 10 because he “changed the game” and “set the culture”
[7]“我爱东契奇,但伯德连续 3 年获得MVP并3次赢得总冠军。他也是86年凯尔特人队中最好的球员,而那支凯尔特人是有史以来最伟大的球队之一。他是梦之队的队员。他是有史以来最好的传球手之一。他是有史以来最好的射手之一。他是有史以来最关键的球员之一。即使是东契奇也不会这么说!”
I love Luka, but Bird won MVP 3 years in a row and won 3 titles. He was also the best player on the 86 Celtics, one of the greatest teams of all time. Dream teamer. One of the best passers ever. One of the best shooters ever. One of the clutch est ever. Even Luka wouldn’t say this!
[-]“他也许是传球最好的前锋,但东契奇的传球更好,伯德的射术也不错,尽管他的职业生涯三分球场均出手只有1.9次。东契奇的天赋更胜一筹。”
Best passing forwards maybe but Luka’s a better passer and Bird was a good shooter but albeit on just 1.9 3pa for his career. Luka clears talent wise.
[--]“这些年轻人看不到的是,东契奇所做的一切伯德都已经做过了。而且是很多很多次。”
What these young kats can’t see is everything Luka is doing Bird has all ready done. Many many times.
[10]“他是一名更全面的球员,但在他获得总冠军戒指之前,我们不要把他放到这样的讨论中。”
Hes a better all around player, but lets not put him in these conversations till he gets a ring
[-]“拉里-伯德三次入选防阵,你的意思是东契奇是一名更全面的球员?”
Larry Bird was All defense 3x wtf you mean Luka is a better all around player
[--]“球员/技术与荣誉无关。只有当争论基于球员比赛本身而难以分出胜负时,才需要使用这一论点。”
The player/skill has nothing to do with the accolades. This argument needs only to come into play when the debate is too close to call based of the players game itself
[13]“哦,太棒了。体育媒体又在胡言乱语了。”
Oh wonderful. More nonsense being spouted from sports media.
[-]“这些前球员绝对是体育媒体中最糟糕的那批人之一。”
Former players are some of the absolute worst people in sports media
[15]“从球员的角度来看是的,但从历史上的伟大/传奇的角度来看则不然。”
From a player perspective yea, but not from an all time great/legacy perspective
[-]“从球员角度看,他哪里更好?我认为东契奇很棒。别误会我的意思,但他比伯德更好吗?控球?是的,东契奇更好。投篮、传球、篮板和防守?不。伯德更好。”
How is he better from a player perspective? I think Luka is great. Don’t get me wrong, but does he do better than Bird. Handle the ball? Yes Luka is better. Shoot, pass, rebound and defend? Nope. Bird is better.
[--]“我的意思是,如果我们谈论他们各自面对的防守,那当然。但东契奇面对的防守比伯德更强,因为防守战术已经进化了很多。”
I mean if we’re talking relatively on the defenses they were each facing, sure. But Luka has a deeper bag than Bird because the defensive game has evolved so much
[18]“数据说明了一切
伯德更好!!!”
The numbers tell the story
Bird is better!!!
[-]“你为什么要隐瞒东契奇在欧洲联赛、西班牙联赛和其他赛事中取得的成就。
是的,他已经是一名更好的球员了,但缺少需要总冠军戒指和 MVP 来支持这一点。”
why are you hiding luka’s achievements in the euroleague , acb and others.
yes he’s a better player already but needs rings and mvps to support it
[--]“想象一下东契奇和那些水管工打比赛?他在上半场就能场均拿下四双。”
imagine Luka playing against plumbers. he’d average a quadruple double in the first half
北京时间5月24日,前NBA球员钱德勒-帕森斯在参加FanDuel的节目《Run It Back》时谈到了东契奇和拉里-伯德的比较问题。
帕森斯表示:“在我看来,东契奇目前已经比拉里-伯德更出色了。”这一言论也引起了媒体和球迷们的热议,球迷们纷纷表示:别捧杀了。
[1]“这是正确的,但也并非完全正确。这项运动的发展太疯狂了。”
This is correct and it’s not close either. The game has evolved like crazy.
[-]“当今NBA中的任何一位球员都比80年代的任何一位球员更优秀。不考虑时代背景来比较球员是愚蠢的。”
Every single player in the NBA is better than every single player in the NBA in the 80’s. It’s dumb to compare players without the context of their era
[--]“等到30年后,人们由会说当今联盟中的任何一个人都比现在在打球的每个球员都更优秀了,包括詹姆斯、库里、杜兰特等……每一代人都会选出他们自己认为最好的球员。很简单。”
30 years from now people will say everyone in the NBA is better than everyone in the NBA playing now including Lebron, Steph, KD etc...each generation picks their own as the best. Simple.
[4]“不,他不是,笑死我了。拉里-伯德可是历史前十。”
No he’s not lmfao.. Larry Bird is top 10 All-Time
[-]“你是根据职业生涯来判断的。从技术上讲,东契奇的水平比他高出很多。即使伯德实际上防守还可以。”
You basing off of career. Skill wise Luka is leagues ahead of him. Even w/ Bird actually playing on the defensive end
[--]“你会发现,球员排名涉及很多因素,而不仅仅是谁更优秀。
比如,你提到的那个人离史上最伟大的10名球员还差得很远,但他却能跻身前十,因为他“改变了比赛”并“确立了某种文化”。”
You see there’s a lot of things involved in player ranking, not just who’s better.
Your guy, for example, is not remotely close to being one of the 10 best basketball players of all time, but he ranks top 10 because he “changed the game” and “set the culture”
[7]“我爱东契奇,但伯德连续 3 年获得MVP并3次赢得总冠军。他也是86年凯尔特人队中最好的球员,而那支凯尔特人是有史以来最伟大的球队之一。他是梦之队的队员。他是有史以来最好的传球手之一。他是有史以来最好的射手之一。他是有史以来最关键的球员之一。即使是东契奇也不会这么说!”
I love Luka, but Bird won MVP 3 years in a row and won 3 titles. He was also the best player on the 86 Celtics, one of the greatest teams of all time. Dream teamer. One of the best passers ever. One of the best shooters ever. One of the clutch est ever. Even Luka wouldn’t say this!
[-]“他也许是传球最好的前锋,但东契奇的传球更好,伯德的射术也不错,尽管他的职业生涯三分球场均出手只有1.9次。东契奇的天赋更胜一筹。”
Best passing forwards maybe but Luka’s a better passer and Bird was a good shooter but albeit on just 1.9 3pa for his career. Luka clears talent wise.
[--]“这些年轻人看不到的是,东契奇所做的一切伯德都已经做过了。而且是很多很多次。”
What these young kats can’t see is everything Luka is doing Bird has all ready done. Many many times.
[10]“他是一名更全面的球员,但在他获得总冠军戒指之前,我们不要把他放到这样的讨论中。”
Hes a better all around player, but lets not put him in these conversations till he gets a ring
[-]“拉里-伯德三次入选防阵,你的意思是东契奇是一名更全面的球员?”
Larry Bird was All defense 3x wtf you mean Luka is a better all around player
[--]“球员/技术与荣誉无关。只有当争论基于球员比赛本身而难以分出胜负时,才需要使用这一论点。”
The player/skill has nothing to do with the accolades. This argument needs only to come into play when the debate is too close to call based of the players game itself
[13]“哦,太棒了。体育媒体又在胡言乱语了。”
Oh wonderful. More nonsense being spouted from sports media.
[-]“这些前球员绝对是体育媒体中最糟糕的那批人之一。”
Former players are some of the absolute worst people in sports media
[15]“从球员的角度来看是的,但从历史上的伟大/传奇的角度来看则不然。”
From a player perspective yea, but not from an all time great/legacy perspective
[-]“从球员角度看,他哪里更好?我认为东契奇很棒。别误会我的意思,但他比伯德更好吗?控球?是的,东契奇更好。投篮、传球、篮板和防守?不。伯德更好。”
How is he better from a player perspective? I think Luka is great. Don’t get me wrong, but does he do better than Bird. Handle the ball? Yes Luka is better. Shoot, pass, rebound and defend? Nope. Bird is better.
[--]“我的意思是,如果我们谈论他们各自面对的防守,那当然。但东契奇面对的防守比伯德更强,因为防守战术已经进化了很多。”
I mean if we’re talking relatively on the defenses they were each facing, sure. But Luka has a deeper bag than Bird because the defensive game has evolved so much
[18]“数据说明了一切
伯德更好!!!”
The numbers tell the story
Bird is better!!!
[-]“你为什么要隐瞒东契奇在欧洲联赛、西班牙联赛和其他赛事中取得的成就。
是的,他已经是一名更好的球员了,但缺少需要总冠军戒指和 MVP 来支持这一点。”
why are you hiding luka’s achievements in the euroleague , acb and others.
yes he’s a better player already but needs rings and mvps to support it
[--]“想象一下东契奇和那些水管工打比赛?他在上半场就能场均拿下四双。”
imagine Luka playing against plumbers. he’d average a quadruple double in the first half