北京时间5月1日,前NBA球员雷迪克在做客奥尼尔的播客节目时谈到了如今NBA的GOAT之争,雷迪克表示在乔丹打球的年代,NBA扩编了6队,所以实力相对变弱了。
雷迪克说:““我并不是想引起争议。但在迈克尔-乔丹的巅峰期,NBA扩编了六支球队,也就是增加了90名球员。这难道不是降低了联盟整体的强度吗?”
这一言论也引起了媒体和球迷们的热烈讨论,球迷们纷纷表示:对常规赛有影响,但总冠军不会缩水。
[1]”等等……一个拥有巅峰魔术师约翰逊(85-91年)、拉里-伯德(85-88年)、奥尼尔(95-98年)、大梦(86-97年)和邓肯(98年)的联盟竞争强度降低了?
10个GOAT中的5个?
顺便说一句,今天的球员数量和球队名单上的名额比乔丹时代的任何时候都要多。
拜托@雷迪克。学学历史吧。“
Wait... a league with Prime Magic Johnson (85-91), Larry Bird (85-88), Shaq (95-98), Hakeem (86-97), and Duncan (98) was now watered down?
Arguably 5 of the 10 GOATS?
And btw, there are MORE players and roster spots today than there ever was during the MJ era.
Comon @jj_redick. Learn your history.
[-]”乔丹在伯德和魔术师的巅峰期赢得了多少个总冠军?哦,是的,0个。
他们老去,乔丹才开始赢得总冠军。
乔丹并不是巅峰期的邓肯或奥尼尔的同龄人,那时他已经退役了。“
How many titles did Jordan win while Bird & Magic were in their primes? Oh yea 0.
Once they aged, that's when MJ started winning the titles.
Jordan didn't play in era with prime Duncan or prime Shaq. He had already retired by then.
[--]”这就像在说除了德雷蒙德-格林被禁赛的出现伤病的勇士之外,詹姆斯在他们的巅峰期真正击败过谁!直到马刺老去,詹姆斯加入了热火,他才击败了马刺!那么他到底击败了谁?没错!联盟的竞争也同样被下降了,因为每一个球星都在同一支球队。“
That’s like saying who did Bron really beat in they prime besides an injured warriors team with a suspended draymond green! He didn’t beat the spurs until they aged and he got with Miami! So who did he beat? Exactly! league was just as watered because everyone on the same team
[4]”乔丹在90年代赢得了6次总冠军,因为他没有挑战者
80年代他也在联盟,但当时联盟被魔鸟和伊赛亚-托马斯所主宰。
媒体美化了他的职业生涯,(好像他的生涯)1990年才开始。“
MJ won 6 in the 90’s because he had no challenger
In the 80’s he was also there and it was dominated by Magic Bird and Isaiah.
Media narrative starts his career in 1990.
[-]”因为在80年代他还很年轻,大多数NBA巨星都没能在年轻时带领球队夺冠。乔丹28岁,生涯第 7年才夺冠,而詹姆斯27 岁,生涯第9年(加入超级球队后才夺冠)。历史背景很重要。
Because he was still young in the 80s, most NBA greats didn’t lead their teams to championships at a young age. He was 28 and in his 7th year when he won, LBJ was 27 and in his 9th yr (after joining a super team). Context matters.
[--]”嗯...1988 年,当魔术师、伯德和伊塞亚-托马斯正处于巅峰期时,他获得了MVP,并确立了自己作为联盟最佳球员的地位。
他没有挑战者,因为乔丹+可靠的帮手是不可战胜的。“
Umm... He won MVP when Magic, Bird, and Isiah were in their prime in 1988 and established himself as the best player in the NBA.
He had no challengers because MJ + help was unbeatable.
[7]“雷迪克说的话都自相矛盾,除了詹姆斯的球队之外,大多数球队在2010年代都表现不佳,这个伪君子以一种消极被动的方式试图抹黑乔丹的时代,这终将自食恶果。”
BUM JJ Redick contradicts himself, says majority of teams outside of LeBron’s teams were tanking in the diluted 2010s, this hypocrite told on himself in a passive aggressive attempt at discrediting MJ’s era.
[-]“我们从未在联盟中拥有过如此多的天才,从国际球员到球员的技术、运动能力、教练和分析。是的,常规赛只是一场娱乐秀,但这是因为规则的变化,而不是球员。今天的各支球队的第八人在90年代都能首发。”
we've never had this much talent in the league, from international players to skill, athleticism, coaching and analytics. Yeah, the regular season is just an entertainment show, but that's because of the rule changes, not the players. Average 8th man today is starting in 90s
[--]“这是因为随着时间的推移,运动员会不断进步
看看任何一项运动吧,没有哪项运动随着时间的退役在天赋上产生退步。乔丹之所以伟大,是因为当时球队都会选中锋来试图夺冠
而乔丹让后卫率队夺冠成为可能。他改变了比赛
以及其他荣誉。”
That’s because as time goes on, athletes evolve & get better
Look at ANY sport & not 1 has regressed in talent. What makes jordan great was teams were drafting centers back then to win a championship
Jordan made it possible to be led by a guard. He changed the game
Along with other accolades
[10]“雷迪克吐露了乔丹的辩护者们不愿承认的事实
当乔丹赢得他的所有总冠军的时候🏆 ,联盟正处于历史上最弱的时期。”
JJ spittin facts that the MJ D riders don’t want to acknowledge
MJ won all his 🏆 when the league was at its weakest period in history
[-]“当詹姆斯不断闯入总决赛的时候,东部联盟肯定充满了明星球队,对吧?”
Surely the Eastern conference was full of star teams while Lebron was making all those finals right?
[--]“我们说的是凯尔特人三巨头组队之前还是之后?”
we talking before or after the big 3 Celtics??
[13]“组建超级球队不会让联盟竞争变弱吗?”
Does Building Superteams not water down the league?
[-]“确实如此,因为你把很多超巨放在了几支不同的球队中。”
It does because you are putting much of the talent on a few different teams.
[--]“你表现得好像公牛不是超级球队似的😂你们都在黑詹姆斯,但乔丹才是第一个拥有超级球队的人。”
you’re acting like the bulls weren’t a super team 😂 yall hate on Bron so much yet Jordan was the first to have a super team
[16]“有没有人注意到,每个和詹姆斯一起工作或为詹姆斯工作的人都不得不对乔丹发表负面评论。”
Has anyone noticed that everyone who works with or for lebron has to make negative comments about MJ.
[-]“我只注意到那些和乔丹一起打球或者和他对抗过的人都对詹姆斯有积极的评价,或者把他捧上了神坛。”
notice how people who played with MJ or against him also have positive things to say about bron or raise bron on a pedestal.
[18]“迈克尔-乔丹无论在哪个时代打球都是GOAT。”
Michael Jordan would be the GOAT no matter what era he played in.
[-]“他到如今的联盟也就比德罗赞好一点😹😹😹。”
He would be a slightly better derozan today 😹😹😹
[--]“是的,5次mvp, 10次得分王的德玛尔-德罗赞。”
Ah yes, 5 time mvp, 10 time scoring champion demar derozan
北京时间5月1日,前NBA球员雷迪克在做客奥尼尔的播客节目时谈到了如今NBA的GOAT之争,雷迪克表示在乔丹打球的年代,NBA扩编了6队,所以实力相对变弱了。
雷迪克说:““我并不是想引起争议。但在迈克尔-乔丹的巅峰期,NBA扩编了六支球队,也就是增加了90名球员。这难道不是降低了联盟整体的强度吗?”
这一言论也引起了媒体和球迷们的热烈讨论,球迷们纷纷表示:对常规赛有影响,但总冠军不会缩水。
[1]”等等……一个拥有巅峰魔术师约翰逊(85-91年)、拉里-伯德(85-88年)、奥尼尔(95-98年)、大梦(86-97年)和邓肯(98年)的联盟竞争强度降低了?
10个GOAT中的5个?
顺便说一句,今天的球员数量和球队名单上的名额比乔丹时代的任何时候都要多。
拜托@雷迪克。学学历史吧。“
Wait... a league with Prime Magic Johnson (85-91), Larry Bird (85-88), Shaq (95-98), Hakeem (86-97), and Duncan (98) was now watered down?
Arguably 5 of the 10 GOATS?
And btw, there are MORE players and roster spots today than there ever was during the MJ era.
Comon @jj_redick. Learn your history.
[-]”乔丹在伯德和魔术师的巅峰期赢得了多少个总冠军?哦,是的,0个。
他们老去,乔丹才开始赢得总冠军。
乔丹并不是巅峰期的邓肯或奥尼尔的同龄人,那时他已经退役了。“
How many titles did Jordan win while Bird & Magic were in their primes? Oh yea 0.
Once they aged, that's when MJ started winning the titles.
Jordan didn't play in era with prime Duncan or prime Shaq. He had already retired by then.
[--]”这就像在说除了德雷蒙德-格林被禁赛的出现伤病的勇士之外,詹姆斯在他们的巅峰期真正击败过谁!直到马刺老去,詹姆斯加入了热火,他才击败了马刺!那么他到底击败了谁?没错!联盟的竞争也同样被下降了,因为每一个球星都在同一支球队。“
That’s like saying who did Bron really beat in they prime besides an injured warriors team with a suspended draymond green! He didn’t beat the spurs until they aged and he got with Miami! So who did he beat? Exactly! league was just as watered because everyone on the same team
[4]”乔丹在90年代赢得了6次总冠军,因为他没有挑战者
80年代他也在联盟,但当时联盟被魔鸟和伊赛亚-托马斯所主宰。
媒体美化了他的职业生涯,(好像他的生涯)1990年才开始。“
MJ won 6 in the 90’s because he had no challenger
In the 80’s he was also there and it was dominated by Magic Bird and Isaiah.
Media narrative starts his career in 1990.
[-]”因为在80年代他还很年轻,大多数NBA巨星都没能在年轻时带领球队夺冠。乔丹28岁,生涯第 7年才夺冠,而詹姆斯27 岁,生涯第9年(加入超级球队后才夺冠)。历史背景很重要。
Because he was still young in the 80s, most NBA greats didn’t lead their teams to championships at a young age. He was 28 and in his 7th year when he won, LBJ was 27 and in his 9th yr (after joining a super team). Context matters.
[--]”嗯...1988 年,当魔术师、伯德和伊塞亚-托马斯正处于巅峰期时,他获得了MVP,并确立了自己作为联盟最佳球员的地位。
他没有挑战者,因为乔丹+可靠的帮手是不可战胜的。“
Umm... He won MVP when Magic, Bird, and Isiah were in their prime in 1988 and established himself as the best player in the NBA.
He had no challengers because MJ + help was unbeatable.
[7]“雷迪克说的话都自相矛盾,除了詹姆斯的球队之外,大多数球队在2010年代都表现不佳,这个伪君子以一种消极被动的方式试图抹黑乔丹的时代,这终将自食恶果。”
BUM JJ Redick contradicts himself, says majority of teams outside of LeBron’s teams were tanking in the diluted 2010s, this hypocrite told on himself in a passive aggressive attempt at discrediting MJ’s era.
[-]“我们从未在联盟中拥有过如此多的天才,从国际球员到球员的技术、运动能力、教练和分析。是的,常规赛只是一场娱乐秀,但这是因为规则的变化,而不是球员。今天的各支球队的第八人在90年代都能首发。”
we've never had this much talent in the league, from international players to skill, athleticism, coaching and analytics. Yeah, the regular season is just an entertainment show, but that's because of the rule changes, not the players. Average 8th man today is starting in 90s
[--]“这是因为随着时间的推移,运动员会不断进步
看看任何一项运动吧,没有哪项运动随着时间的退役在天赋上产生退步。乔丹之所以伟大,是因为当时球队都会选中锋来试图夺冠
而乔丹让后卫率队夺冠成为可能。他改变了比赛
以及其他荣誉。”
That’s because as time goes on, athletes evolve & get better
Look at ANY sport & not 1 has regressed in talent. What makes jordan great was teams were drafting centers back then to win a championship
Jordan made it possible to be led by a guard. He changed the game
Along with other accolades
[10]“雷迪克吐露了乔丹的辩护者们不愿承认的事实
当乔丹赢得他的所有总冠军的时候🏆 ,联盟正处于历史上最弱的时期。”
JJ spittin facts that the MJ D riders don’t want to acknowledge
MJ won all his 🏆 when the league was at its weakest period in history
[-]“当詹姆斯不断闯入总决赛的时候,东部联盟肯定充满了明星球队,对吧?”
Surely the Eastern conference was full of star teams while Lebron was making all those finals right?
[--]“我们说的是凯尔特人三巨头组队之前还是之后?”
we talking before or after the big 3 Celtics??
[13]“组建超级球队不会让联盟竞争变弱吗?”
Does Building Superteams not water down the league?
[-]“确实如此,因为你把很多超巨放在了几支不同的球队中。”
It does because you are putting much of the talent on a few different teams.
[--]“你表现得好像公牛不是超级球队似的😂你们都在黑詹姆斯,但乔丹才是第一个拥有超级球队的人。”
you’re acting like the bulls weren’t a super team 😂 yall hate on Bron so much yet Jordan was the first to have a super team
[16]“有没有人注意到,每个和詹姆斯一起工作或为詹姆斯工作的人都不得不对乔丹发表负面评论。”
Has anyone noticed that everyone who works with or for lebron has to make negative comments about MJ.
[-]“我只注意到那些和乔丹一起打球或者和他对抗过的人都对詹姆斯有积极的评价,或者把他捧上了神坛。”
notice how people who played with MJ or against him also have positive things to say about bron or raise bron on a pedestal.
[18]“迈克尔-乔丹无论在哪个时代打球都是GOAT。”
Michael Jordan would be the GOAT no matter what era he played in.
[-]“他到如今的联盟也就比德罗赞好一点😹😹😹。”
He would be a slightly better derozan today 😹😹😹
[--]“是的,5次mvp, 10次得分王的德玛尔-德罗赞。”
Ah yes, 5 time mvp, 10 time scoring champion demar derozan