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Wunder getting the full fiora experience onthe chinese super server
G2 Wunder在峡谷之巅充分体验到了与剑姬对线的“乐趣”所在
[–]HowyNova 1518 points 17 hours ago
Never seen a Fiora proc all the vitals thatcleanly before.
我从来没见过比这更行云流水的操作，真丶一秒四破。
[–]cutewhaleeeLPL OVERRATED 525 points 14hours ago
This dude is the best fiora in the world
这家伙简直是世界上最牛逼的剑姬玩家。
[–]Neville_Lynwood 264 points 15 hours ago
Honestly, as crazy as it sounds it couldhave been done even better.
说实在的，听起来很疯狂但是这个回合剑姬还可以操作的更秀一些：
As Fiora W also procs a vital, the mostchad play would have been to cast the ult just as Shen was taunting in, then Wto stun him and proc the first vital immediately, that way you could legit killShen before the stun even ends.
剑姬的W技能能够击破弱点，所以最完美的操作就是在慎嘲讽过来之前就释放R技能，然后接W晕住慎的同时立即击破一个弱点，这样操作的话，你甚至可以在晕眩控制结束前就把慎给秒掉。
But the timing for that would have to becrazy on point.
不过这种情况下需要你的操作分毫不差
Just goes to show how much ceiling therecan be for Fiora.
这也展示了剑姬这个英雄的操作上限有多高啊...
[–]KniGht1st 129 points 11 hours ago
Jjking is one of the best Fiora players inthe world, he has some insane montage.
JJKing绝对是最顶尖的剑姬专精玩家之一了，他的剑姬集锦给我看懵逼了都。
[–]meDeadly1990 155 points 14 hours ago
Here he procs all four vitals during thestun. Damn impressive
这儿是他的剑姬集锦，在晕眩过程中击破了四个弱点，真他妈牛逼...(链接为油管视频）
[–]Gaia_Knight2600 154 points 12 hours ago
just dont stand under turret at 90% hp lmao
所以说嘛，你血量低于90%就别跟塔底下呆着了哈哈哈哈
[–]Grass-Knoll 10 points 15 hours ago
Wow the dude just made like the old Fiorault was never gone.
哇哦，这家伙的操作简直完美复刻了旧版剑姬的“利刃华尔兹”！
[–]lukaszenk00 2 points 14 hours ago
The timing is still crazy at this point.Fiora expected this taunt. And she parried that. I'm still in shock
剑姬这操作对于时机的把控实在太强了，她预判到了慎会嘲讽过来，然后格挡掉了。我现在还处于懵逼状态中...
[–]mogadichu 208 points 15 hours ago
He make a rookie mistake of even thinkingof using his E against a Fiora
Wunder这里犯了个低级错误啊，竟然想用E技能嘲讽剑姬？
[–]GA_Deathstalker 7 points 4 hours ago
yeah I always need to remind myself thatany E that is not pointblank is completely useless against Fiora...
是啊，我总是提醒我自己，如果慎不是和剑姬脸贴脸的情况下，他的E技能基本上就是个摆设...
[–]Neville_Lynwood 43 points 14 hours ago
I mean... let's be fair, that's not allthat crazy. If you've pushed a Shen under the tower as any champion in thegame, you should 100% expect a taunt literally every moment. And you shouldhave a counter move ready to respond with. If you don't, you're either reallylow elo or far too cocky.
我觉得吧，这个预判其实就还好。如果你把兵线推到了慎的塔下，不管你用的是什么英雄，都应该100%会料到慎有可能E过来嘲讽你。那么你就应该有相应的反制手段。如果你没有的话，那可能就是你分段实在太低了，或者你太不把对手放在眼里了。
Fiora is one of the better champions torespond to this because Shen taunt at max range is not that hard to parry,especially when you know it's coming for a fact.
剑姬就是一个非常擅长于处理这种情况的英雄，因为慎用他E到最远距离其实并不难格挡，特别是当你对此有所准备的时候。
The real play here is the mind game andconfidence to bait the Shen to go for it. Because the Shen also knows whatFiora does, so it becomes a matter of who has better positioning and reflexes.Clearly Wunder thought he had a decent chance to hit the clean taunt or at thevery least not die if he got parried.
这个回合里真正比拼的是内心博弈，以及引诱慎E过来的信心。因为慎也知道剑姬的技能，所以问题就成了这俩人谁的走位更好，以及反应更快。很显然Wunder认为他自己有很大的把握E中剑姬，并且就算被格挡住了，他自己也不会挂掉。
But Fiora was on point with the parry andthen the full ult-combo follow-up.
但是剑姬恰到好处地按下W，然后就是一套操作带走了Wunder。
[–]Amnizu 265 points 16 hours ago
That fiora proccing the first 2 vitals nearinstantly with just auto - e after moving like 1 step to the left to get bothangles on the vitals was really impressive.
这个剑姬打破前两个弱点只用了普攻和E技能，然后向左一步再击破两外两个弱点，真的是太秀了
[–]xXUtahraptorXx Ayo Skaarl where da f***we at? 32 points 10 hours ago
And I thought the Fiora’s in my elo hit theskill ceiling.
我竟然以为我这个分段的剑姬就已经是摸到操作极限的天花板了..
[–]iamadentistery 30 points 7 hours ago
watching some of the players on the superserver really put my dog shit plat mechanics into perspective
在看过这些峡谷之巅里的玩家们的操作之后，我开始对自己白金级别的操作产生了质疑。
[–]ttaway420 22 points 7 hours ago
Fucking NA challenger looks like gold 4 incomparison with the mechanics on the super server
美服王者和这些玩家的技术比起来就像是来自黄金四分段一样...🐶
[–]GaggedAndDrooling 135 points 18 hoursago
The vital that secured the kill was prettyunlucky tho
最后刷新的这个弱点可真是不太走运哟
[–]ethospro China #1 CN top main 109 points17 hours ago
When a vital spawns in the SW quadrants(left down) then after its guaranteed to be right top. So after the first vitalyou can see before the dive he knew it had to spawn right or top which is whyhe committed to the dive.
实际上，当弱点刷新在你的左下方时，就意味着下一个弱点会出现在右上方。所以，当第一个弱点刷出来之后，JJKing就知道第二个弱点会出现在右上方，所以他才果断选择越塔强杀。
[–]GaggedAndDrooling 11 points 8 hours ago
Guess its skill then not luck
Emmm这样看来就和运气没什么关系了，纯技术碾压啊
[–]Surveyorman 75 points 16 hours ago
What is this super server people aretalking about?
我想知道大家都在说的“超级服”是个啥？
[–]PlentyLettuce 310 points 16 hours ago
There are 29 servers in china (as opposedto 1 in most other regions, 2 if you count EuW and EuNE). The "superserver" is only available for players who have hit d1 on another server.The rank system is still the same (iron-challenger all exist) however with themassive player base of china there are enough players d1+ to surpass theentirety of NA"s player base. NA has a ranked player base of 1.7 millionaccording to dot esports and china is nearly 100 million active ranked players.
国服一共有29个服务器，（与之相比，其他地区基本上只有一个服务器，欧洲的话可以算两个）。只有当玩家在别的区达到了钻一或以上的分段，才能加入到这个峡谷之巅“超级服”。排位系统也是一样的，从黑铁到王者。不过，考虑到中国庞大的玩家基数，他们钻一以上的玩家总数已经比北美玩家总数还要多了。根据Dot Esports的数据，北美现在的排位玩家大概是170万左右，而中国有接近一亿的排位玩家。
[–]dogcatdogwoof 37 points 12 hours ago
100 million what the fuck dude... imagineif 1/3 of USA population played one video game
卧槽一亿...想象一下这要是在美国，每三个美国人中就有一个人在玩英雄联盟...
[–]ThatPlayWasAwful 65 points 12 hours ago
100 million is 7 percent of Chinapopulation which is still pretty nutty
而一亿人口也只占中国总人口数的7%，想想也是挺疯狂的...
[–]hootix 196 points 13 hours ago*
It's diamond 2 iirc. My friend applied forme (because I don't read china and play yon the ionia server) to the superserver and told me you had only to be d2 but I was above. You also get 300k RPto spend on any champ or skins you want.
如果我没记错的话，钻二以上就可以了吧。我的朋友帮我申请了一个峡谷之巅账号，他告诉我说你必须要打到钻二以上分段才可以。而且你还会得到30万点券，你可以购买任何英雄或者皮肤。
[–]Rogue009 58 points 13 hours ago
how do ppl rank up if everyone is pro? Dodiamond 2 players battle it out in silver? and master players in plat?
那要是所有玩家都是职业选手的话，他们还怎么上分啊？钻二的玩家也会去打白银分段吗？王者玩家也会去打白金分段吗？
[–]Bananaeater45 122 points 12 hours ago
China server skill is different and variesfrom the bottom server (equal to something like OCE) up to Ionia, which iscomparable to Korea.
中国不同区的玩家水平也是不一样的，从最垫底的区到一区艾欧尼亚，类似于澳服到韩服那样。
So different server D1+ players are playingon the Super Server. Means, even Iron 4 players on this server are D2/D1+somewhere else
所以不同区的钻一及以上玩家来到峡谷之巅后，就意味着即便是黑铁四的玩家，在别的某个区里也至少是钻一起步。
[–]myriiad 81 points 14 hours ago
you can be legit iron in the super serverand that just means you are one of the worst d1 players in china lol.
如果你在峡谷之巅的黑铁段位里，那就意味着你是整个中国最垃圾的钻一玩家哈哈哈哈哈
[–]Cattaphract 17 points 13 hours ago
how do they make money from the superserver if everyone has 300k rp?
可是如果他们给了每个峡谷之巅的玩家30W点券，还怎么赚钱啊？
[–]Nidalee2DiaOrAfk 111 points 13 hours ago
99% of all players in D1 only has skins fortheir main, they dont spend much money on the game. Also can see it as aninvestment for tencent. People look up their favorite champion and see a personon super server, and said person uses a skin. Viewers might buy it now.
钻一里几乎99%的玩家都已经有了他们专精英雄的皮肤了，他们不会在游戏里花太多钱。另外，这也可以看作是腾讯的一种投资手法。当玩家们看到自己喜欢的英雄皮肤，并且看到峡谷之巅的玩家们也在使用这些皮肤，那么他们也很有可能去买那些皮肤。
[–]SelloutRealBig 46 points 8 hours ago
It's a big advertisement server. All theother servers are the people striving to get there who bring in the real money.
峡谷之巅更多起到的时宣传的作用。其他区服里的这些努力进入峡谷之巅的玩家们才是为腾讯贡献营收的主力军。
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Wunder getting the full fiora experience onthe chinese super server
G2 Wunder在峡谷之巅充分体验到了与剑姬对线的“乐趣”所在
[–]HowyNova 1518 points 17 hours ago
Never seen a Fiora proc all the vitals thatcleanly before.
我从来没见过比这更行云流水的操作，真丶一秒四破。
[–]cutewhaleeeLPL OVERRATED 525 points 14hours ago
This dude is the best fiora in the world
这家伙简直是世界上最牛逼的剑姬玩家。
[–]Neville_Lynwood 264 points 15 hours ago
Honestly, as crazy as it sounds it couldhave been done even better.
说实在的，听起来很疯狂但是这个回合剑姬还可以操作的更秀一些：
As Fiora W also procs a vital, the mostchad play would have been to cast the ult just as Shen was taunting in, then Wto stun him and proc the first vital immediately, that way you could legit killShen before the stun even ends.
剑姬的W技能能够击破弱点，所以最完美的操作就是在慎嘲讽过来之前就释放R技能，然后接W晕住慎的同时立即击破一个弱点，这样操作的话，你甚至可以在晕眩控制结束前就把慎给秒掉。
But the timing for that would have to becrazy on point.
不过这种情况下需要你的操作分毫不差
Just goes to show how much ceiling therecan be for Fiora.
这也展示了剑姬这个英雄的操作上限有多高啊...
[–]KniGht1st 129 points 11 hours ago
Jjking is one of the best Fiora players inthe world, he has some insane montage.
JJKing绝对是最顶尖的剑姬专精玩家之一了，他的剑姬集锦给我看懵逼了都。
[–]meDeadly1990 155 points 14 hours ago
Here he procs all four vitals during thestun. Damn impressive
这儿是他的剑姬集锦，在晕眩过程中击破了四个弱点，真他妈牛逼...(链接为油管视频）
[–]Gaia_Knight2600 154 points 12 hours ago
just dont stand under turret at 90% hp lmao
所以说嘛，你血量低于90%就别跟塔底下呆着了哈哈哈哈
[–]Grass-Knoll 10 points 15 hours ago
Wow the dude just made like the old Fiorault was never gone.
哇哦，这家伙的操作简直完美复刻了旧版剑姬的“利刃华尔兹”！
[–]lukaszenk00 2 points 14 hours ago
The timing is still crazy at this point.Fiora expected this taunt. And she parried that. I'm still in shock
剑姬这操作对于时机的把控实在太强了，她预判到了慎会嘲讽过来，然后格挡掉了。我现在还处于懵逼状态中...
[–]mogadichu 208 points 15 hours ago
He make a rookie mistake of even thinkingof using his E against a Fiora
Wunder这里犯了个低级错误啊，竟然想用E技能嘲讽剑姬？
[–]GA_Deathstalker 7 points 4 hours ago
yeah I always need to remind myself thatany E that is not pointblank is completely useless against Fiora...
是啊，我总是提醒我自己，如果慎不是和剑姬脸贴脸的情况下，他的E技能基本上就是个摆设...
[–]Neville_Lynwood 43 points 14 hours ago
I mean... let's be fair, that's not allthat crazy. If you've pushed a Shen under the tower as any champion in thegame, you should 100% expect a taunt literally every moment. And you shouldhave a counter move ready to respond with. If you don't, you're either reallylow elo or far too cocky.
我觉得吧，这个预判其实就还好。如果你把兵线推到了慎的塔下，不管你用的是什么英雄，都应该100%会料到慎有可能E过来嘲讽你。那么你就应该有相应的反制手段。如果你没有的话，那可能就是你分段实在太低了，或者你太不把对手放在眼里了。
Fiora is one of the better champions torespond to this because Shen taunt at max range is not that hard to parry,especially when you know it's coming for a fact.
剑姬就是一个非常擅长于处理这种情况的英雄，因为慎用他E到最远距离其实并不难格挡，特别是当你对此有所准备的时候。
The real play here is the mind game andconfidence to bait the Shen to go for it. Because the Shen also knows whatFiora does, so it becomes a matter of who has better positioning and reflexes.Clearly Wunder thought he had a decent chance to hit the clean taunt or at thevery least not die if he got parried.
这个回合里真正比拼的是内心博弈，以及引诱慎E过来的信心。因为慎也知道剑姬的技能，所以问题就成了这俩人谁的走位更好，以及反应更快。很显然Wunder认为他自己有很大的把握E中剑姬，并且就算被格挡住了，他自己也不会挂掉。
But Fiora was on point with the parry andthen the full ult-combo follow-up.
但是剑姬恰到好处地按下W，然后就是一套操作带走了Wunder。
[–]Amnizu 265 points 16 hours ago
That fiora proccing the first 2 vitals nearinstantly with just auto - e after moving like 1 step to the left to get bothangles on the vitals was really impressive.
这个剑姬打破前两个弱点只用了普攻和E技能，然后向左一步再击破两外两个弱点，真的是太秀了
[–]xXUtahraptorXx Ayo Skaarl where da f***we at? 32 points 10 hours ago
And I thought the Fiora’s in my elo hit theskill ceiling.
我竟然以为我这个分段的剑姬就已经是摸到操作极限的天花板了..
[–]iamadentistery 30 points 7 hours ago
watching some of the players on the superserver really put my dog shit plat mechanics into perspective
在看过这些峡谷之巅里的玩家们的操作之后，我开始对自己白金级别的操作产生了质疑。
[–]ttaway420 22 points 7 hours ago
Fucking NA challenger looks like gold 4 incomparison with the mechanics on the super server
美服王者和这些玩家的技术比起来就像是来自黄金四分段一样...🐶
[–]GaggedAndDrooling 135 points 18 hoursago
The vital that secured the kill was prettyunlucky tho
最后刷新的这个弱点可真是不太走运哟
[–]ethospro China #1 CN top main 109 points17 hours ago
When a vital spawns in the SW quadrants(left down) then after its guaranteed to be right top. So after the first vitalyou can see before the dive he knew it had to spawn right or top which is whyhe committed to the dive.
实际上，当弱点刷新在你的左下方时，就意味着下一个弱点会出现在右上方。所以，当第一个弱点刷出来之后，JJKing就知道第二个弱点会出现在右上方，所以他才果断选择越塔强杀。
[–]GaggedAndDrooling 11 points 8 hours ago
Guess its skill then not luck
Emmm这样看来就和运气没什么关系了，纯技术碾压啊
[–]Surveyorman 75 points 16 hours ago
What is this super server people aretalking about?
我想知道大家都在说的“超级服”是个啥？
[–]PlentyLettuce 310 points 16 hours ago
There are 29 servers in china (as opposedto 1 in most other regions, 2 if you count EuW and EuNE). The "superserver" is only available for players who have hit d1 on another server.The rank system is still the same (iron-challenger all exist) however with themassive player base of china there are enough players d1+ to surpass theentirety of NA"s player base. NA has a ranked player base of 1.7 millionaccording to dot esports and china is nearly 100 million active ranked players.
国服一共有29个服务器，（与之相比，其他地区基本上只有一个服务器，欧洲的话可以算两个）。只有当玩家在别的区达到了钻一或以上的分段，才能加入到这个峡谷之巅“超级服”。排位系统也是一样的，从黑铁到王者。不过，考虑到中国庞大的玩家基数，他们钻一以上的玩家总数已经比北美玩家总数还要多了。根据Dot Esports的数据，北美现在的排位玩家大概是170万左右，而中国有接近一亿的排位玩家。
[–]dogcatdogwoof 37 points 12 hours ago
100 million what the fuck dude... imagineif 1/3 of USA population played one video game
卧槽一亿...想象一下这要是在美国，每三个美国人中就有一个人在玩英雄联盟...
[–]ThatPlayWasAwful 65 points 12 hours ago
100 million is 7 percent of Chinapopulation which is still pretty nutty
而一亿人口也只占中国总人口数的7%，想想也是挺疯狂的...
[–]hootix 196 points 13 hours ago*
It's diamond 2 iirc. My friend applied forme (because I don't read china and play yon the ionia server) to the superserver and told me you had only to be d2 but I was above. You also get 300k RPto spend on any champ or skins you want.
如果我没记错的话，钻二以上就可以了吧。我的朋友帮我申请了一个峡谷之巅账号，他告诉我说你必须要打到钻二以上分段才可以。而且你还会得到30万点券，你可以购买任何英雄或者皮肤。
[–]Rogue009 58 points 13 hours ago
how do ppl rank up if everyone is pro? Dodiamond 2 players battle it out in silver? and master players in plat?
那要是所有玩家都是职业选手的话，他们还怎么上分啊？钻二的玩家也会去打白银分段吗？王者玩家也会去打白金分段吗？
[–]Bananaeater45 122 points 12 hours ago
China server skill is different and variesfrom the bottom server (equal to something like OCE) up to Ionia, which iscomparable to Korea.
中国不同区的玩家水平也是不一样的，从最垫底的区到一区艾欧尼亚，类似于澳服到韩服那样。
So different server D1+ players are playingon the Super Server. Means, even Iron 4 players on this server are D2/D1+somewhere else
所以不同区的钻一及以上玩家来到峡谷之巅后，就意味着即便是黑铁四的玩家，在别的某个区里也至少是钻一起步。
[–]myriiad 81 points 14 hours ago
you can be legit iron in the super serverand that just means you are one of the worst d1 players in china lol.
如果你在峡谷之巅的黑铁段位里，那就意味着你是整个中国最垃圾的钻一玩家哈哈哈哈哈
[–]Cattaphract 17 points 13 hours ago
how do they make money from the superserver if everyone has 300k rp?
可是如果他们给了每个峡谷之巅的玩家30W点券，还怎么赚钱啊？
[–]Nidalee2DiaOrAfk 111 points 13 hours ago
99% of all players in D1 only has skins fortheir main, they dont spend much money on the game. Also can see it as aninvestment for tencent. People look up their favorite champion and see a personon super server, and said person uses a skin. Viewers might buy it now.
钻一里几乎99%的玩家都已经有了他们专精英雄的皮肤了，他们不会在游戏里花太多钱。另外，这也可以看作是腾讯的一种投资手法。当玩家们看到自己喜欢的英雄皮肤，并且看到峡谷之巅的玩家们也在使用这些皮肤，那么他们也很有可能去买那些皮肤。
[–]SelloutRealBig 46 points 8 hours ago
It's a big advertisement server. All theother servers are the people striving to get there who bring in the real money.
峡谷之巅更多起到的时宣传的作用。其他区服里的这些努力进入峡谷之巅的玩家们才是为腾讯贡献营收的主力军。
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