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What do folks put Bari’s extension at? He’s the best shooter of the core 7 and he’s become one of our best defenders. He’s still one of the youngest guys on the team, and he’s the tallest of our core. Certainly limited athletically, but getting stronger every season. I think Bari is a must to extend. I put him around $30 mil per.
What do u put Bari’s extension at?
大家觉得史密斯的续约合同会是多少?他是七子中最好的射手,而且已经成为了我们最强的防守者之一。他仍然是队里最年轻的球员之一,同时也是核心阵容中最高的。虽然运动能力确实有些局限性,但每个赛季他的身体对抗都在变强。我认为小贾绝对是必须续约的球员。我给他估价大概在每年3000万美元左右。
你觉得小贾的续约合同应该是多少?
Agreed. 30/yr
Big men take awhile and he's on the come.
Longtime starting 4.
同意。给他每年3000万。
大个子球员的成长需要时间,而他正处在上升期。
他会是未来多年的首发四号位。
In my Core 7 spreadsheet, I have him at roughly
16% of Cap (1st yr)
= $25m (1st yr)
= $29m (average) for 5yrs (max raises)
However, for me, that is my anticipated best production from him. At this point, to get that, he’ll need to show-out in the playoffs.
I think Stone will get him for less now, or by attaching incentives.
在我的七子计划中,我给他的估值大概是:
工资帽的16%(第一年)
= 2500万(第一年)
= 2900万(平均年薪),为期5年(包含最大涨幅)。
不过,对我来说,这已经是我预期他能打出的最佳表现了。在现阶段,要想达到这个水平,他还需要在季后赛中证明自己。
我觉得斯通现在可以以更低的价格搞定他,或者通过附加激励条款来压价。
I think he'd take $25M AAV over 4 or 5 years. Offer him more than Dillon Brooks and it will be hard to say no. That's generational wealth for a guy who is currently a roleplayer.
我觉得他可能会接受一份平均年薪2500万美元、为期4到5年的合同。只要给他的报价比狄龙高,他就很难拒绝。对于一个目前还只是角色球员的他来说,这已经是改变世代的财富了。
I think some will be surprised what he signs. I’m guessing around the ballpark of Johnson, etc. (5 yrs, 130 - 150)
我觉得有些人会对他的签约金额感到惊讶。我猜大概会和卡梅隆约翰逊之类的球员差不多。(5年,1.3亿到1.5亿美元左右)。
Jabari being the best shooter out of the core 7 is so incredibly sad…he’s not even an average shooter
贾巴里被认为是七子中最好的射手,这真的让人感到无比沮丧……他甚至还算不上是一个平均水平的射手。
look at Bari’s improvement from year 1-2. Then look at what bari was shooting this year after his poor start until he got hurt. I see big progress. I don’t take his rookie Silas year seriously because he was obviously still adjusting to the nba 3pt line. But if you have watched him the last yr and a half you know that the shooting continues to improve and the defense from yr 2-3 has been a true revolution. I believe he’ll be at least a 37% 3pt shooter in the years to come. I honestly can’t say that for any of the core 7, although I hold out hope for Cam and Reed.
看看小贾从第一年到第二年的进步。然后再看看他在本赛季初期表现不佳之后、受伤之前的投篮数据。我能看到显著的进步。我并不把他菜鸟赛季的表现当回事,因为很明显他当时还在适应NBA的三分线。但如果你在过去一年半里有关注他,你就会知道他的投篮一直在进步,而从第二年到第三年,他的防守更是有了真正的飞跃。我相信在未来的几年里,他会成为一个至少能保持37%三分命中率的射手。说实话,对于七子里的其他人,我没法这么肯定,尽管我对惠特摩尔和谢泼德还抱有一些希望。
He's actually been pretty much dead-average on 3P% for a power forward this season--35.4% (league-wide it's 35.5% for PFs). However, he takes 4.8 three pointers per game, versus the league average for power forwards of 3.4 attempts. So when you factor in volume, I'd say he's a little bit above-average for his position right now.
Considering he's only 21, and his 3P% was actually a little bit better last season, I feel pretty confident he'll be a good shooter. I don't know if he'll be a great one like he was supposed to be.
本赛季,他的三分命中率其实几乎和大前锋的平均水平持平——35.4%(全联盟大前锋的平均三分命中率是35.5%)。然而,他每场比赛出手4.8次三分,而联盟大前锋的平均三分出手次数是3.4次。所以当你把出手量考虑进去,我会说他目前的表现其实稍微高于他这个位置的平均水平。
考虑到他才21岁,而且上赛季他的三分命中率其实还略高一些,我对他会成为一名不错的射手还是比较有信心的。不过,我并不确定他是否能成为当初人们期待的那种顶级射手。
fwiw: he’s having an outlier year shooting poorly on corner threes: 11-37 — 29.7%. (That won’t last)
Last year he shot 46% from corner, 34% ATB.
So, even despite the poor start, he’s improved and well-above league average on above-the-break threes shooting 37%. And like we did with Ariza, we need him out of the corner, so other lessor shooters can take that easier spot.
顺便提一句:他今年在底角三分的投篮表现非常异常,命中率很低——37投11中,只有29.7%。(这种情况不会持续下去的)。
去年他在底角三分的命中率是46%,而在弧顶以上的命中率是34%。
所以,即使考虑到他本赛季的低迷开局,他在弧顶以上的三分命中率仍然提升到了37%,远高于联盟平均水平。就像我们当年对阿里扎做的那样,我们需要让他更多地远离底角位置,这样其他投篮能力稍弱的球员可以利用那个相对更容易的投篮点。
5/160. He's been a longer term project than I thought he'd be but guys like Jabari don't grow on trees. His dribble has much improved this year and he's been one of the most important defenders on the team.
I'd imagine Stone locks him up as soon as possible.
5年1.6亿。他的成长过程比我预想的要漫长,但像贾巴里这样的球员可不是随随便便就能找到的。今年他的运球能力有了显著提升,同时他也是球队最重要的防守者之一。
我猜斯通会尽快把他锁定下来。
yeah, but a starting PF playing 30 mpg should be above overall league average for things like rebounding and shot blocking, that’s expected if for nothing else than height alone…shooting is something entirely different, and Jabari is supposed to be a shooter…that’s his main skillset
Idk wth happened to Reed…I’ve seen people post what his high school shooting percentage was and basically how well he’s shot outside of his college stint, and since then I’ve been wondering if we were bamboozled
Stone needs to get busy this summer because u can’t keep trotting out non-shooter after non-shooter after weak shooter after barely average shooter and think you’re gonna go far in this league
没错,但一个场均打30分钟的首发大前锋,在篮板和封盖这些数据上高于联盟整体平均水平是基本要求,光是身高这一点就决定了他应该做到这些……但投篮完全是另一回事,史密斯本应该是一个射手啊!这是他的主要技能包。
至于谢泼德,我真的不知道他到底怎么了……我看到有人贴出了他高中时的投篮命中率,还有他在大学之外的表现,基本上他一直以来的投篮都很不错。从那之后我就一直在想,我们是不是被忽悠了。
斯通今年夏天必须得忙起来了,因为如果你一直派上非射手、非射手、弱射手、勉强平均水准的射手,然后还指望在这个联盟里走得很远,那是不可能的。
I think you're right about his open market value, but we do have a little bit of leverage in the whole "if you want an extension right now, this is the deal". There's always risk in playing another season of NBA basketball--he could have a down season, he could get hurt and miss a bunch of games, worst case he could even have a career-altering injury (I hope not, knock on wood). And when a guy hasn't gotten his first big contract yet, that risk is magnified--it's hard to turn down something like $125M when it's staring you in the face.
我觉得你对他市场价值的判断是对的,但我们确实有一点点谈判筹码,那就是“如果你想现在就签下续约合同,这就是我们能给的了”。再打一个赛季的NBA总是有风险的——他可能会经历一个低谷赛季,可能会受伤缺席大量比赛,最糟糕的情况下甚至可能遭遇改变职业生涯的重伤(希望不会)。而且,对于一个还没有拿到第一份大合同的球员来说,这种风险会被放大——当一份1.25亿美元的合同摆在面前时,真的很难拒绝。
He’s not really good at anything on offense. His job is to stand in the corner. Poor ball handler with poor basketball IQ. He’s had exactly 33 assists in 33 games. He’s nothing special as a rebounder. I like what he does on defense at times, but he’s not the most physically tuff defender.
He’s nice to have in the rotation, and he’s a plus when hitting his three pointers. But, I’m not too excited about paying him anything north of 20mill per year. I know others are more enthusiastic about Jabari, but we can’t pay everyone and I’m not sure Jabari is one I want to pay.
他在进攻端其实没有什么特别突出的能力。他的任务基本上就是站在底角等机会。他的控球能力很差,篮球智商也不高。在33场比赛中,他只有33次助攻。作为一名篮板手,他也并不出色。虽然我有时确实喜欢他在防守端的表现,但他并不是那种身体对抗特别强硬的防守者。
他在轮换阵容中是个不错的补充,当他命中三分时确实能带来一些正面贡献。但是,我对他每年超过2000万美元的合同并不太感兴趣。我知道有些人对贾巴里更热情,但我们不可能付得起每个人的高额薪水,而且我不确定贾巴里是否是我愿意优先投资的球员。
I think they’re gonna pass on paying Tari…too injury prone, weak shooter, and his BBIQ is questionable…I think he’ll be in a trade for any star player they hopefully acquire
there’s a good chance Jalen isn’t here long term…he’s for sure the main one on the chopping block in a trade for a star with his salary
Cam is just a bench gunner…easily replaceable
I think they’ll try to keep Jabari
a lot of this “core 7” will be gone
我觉得制服组可能会选择不给伊森大合同……他太容易受伤,投篮能力薄弱,而且他的篮球智商也值得怀疑。我认为他可能会被卷入交易,用来换取他们希望得到的明星球员。
杰伦很可能不会长期留在球队……如果要通过交易引进一位明星球员,他几乎肯定是那个最容易被放弃的人,尤其是考虑到他的薪资。
惠特摩尔只是一个替补得分手……很容易被替代。
我觉得他们会努力留下贾巴里。
所谓的“七子”,其中很多人最终可能都会离开。
I like Tari but I think it's starting to really look like he's a bad fit given our current needs. We have plenty of defenders, we need shooting and playmaking. If we could trade him straight-up for a young-ish, plus shooter/solid-average defender and playmaker I think I might do it. Coby White? Austin Reaves?
我喜欢伊森,但越来越觉得他可能不符合我们目前的需求。我们已经有足够的防守者了,我们需要的是投篮和组织能力。如果能把他直接交易换来一个年轻、有一定投射能力、防守扎实且具备一定组织能力的球员,我觉得我会考虑这么做。比如科比·怀特?或者奥斯汀·里夫斯?
Jabari has been out for so long that people forgot how incredibly mid he is.
贾巴里已经缺席了这么久,以至于人们都忘了他有多么平庸。
I think Jabari will be worth $25m per season but I'd rather match what the market offers him. I think it's a case of we value him more because we literally need a 6'10 PF with a 7'2 wingspan who's switchable, gets stocks and can hit 3's. If we didn't have Jabari, we'd be looking for him. If the market says he's worth $30m, I believe it.
Big young two-way players who can make 3's > you simply can't get these under $20m.
我认为贾巴里的市场价值大约是每赛季2500万美元,但我更倾向于匹配市场给他的报价。我觉得这是因为我们对他有更高的需求——我们确实需要一名身高6尺10寸、臂展7尺2寸、能换防、能抢断封盖、还能命中三分的大前锋。如果我们没有贾巴里,我们也会去寻找一个类似他这样的球员。如果市场认为他值3000万,我们可以直接匹配。
年轻且能在攻防两端做出贡献、同时具备三分能力的大个子球员——这种类型的球员你根本不可能以低于2000万的价格签下。
Jabari will sign for 100M because of the market and not because he deserves it. We have no choice. I’m more interested in what Tari signs for.
贾巴里最终会签下一份过亿的合同,这更多是因为市场行情,而不是因为他真的值这个价。我们别无选择。我更关心伊森会签到什么样的合同。
So sounds like the consensus so far is between $20-$30 mil. Agreed that somewhere in the $20’s is probably more appropriate than $30.
As for the Tari talk, he’s a versatile 3/4 that can switch on anyone and I think still has shooting potential if he can stay on the court. I think k u work out something like Orlando did with Johnathan Issac; something reasonable that provides Tari security but protects the org. We should be able to keep Tari at a value, and that will be good for everyone. You keep Tari.
所以,目前的共识是史密斯的合同大概会在2000万到3000万美元之间。我同意,比起3000万,2000万出头可能更合适一些。
至于关于伊森的讨论,他是一个可以打三号位和四号位的多功能球员,能够换防任何对手。如果他能保持健康留在场上,我认为他仍然有投篮潜力。我觉得可以参考奥兰多魔术对乔纳森·艾萨克的做法:一份合理的合同,既能给伊森提供保障,又能保护球队利益。我们应该能够以一个合理的价格留住伊森,这对所有人来说都是好事。留下他吧。
The tendencies of the rookie extension market are that Jabari and especially Tari are the type of players who get value contracts: low usage, limited offensive creation, missed time due to injury, not flashy, perceived as career role players.
Jalen and Sengun are the type of players who tend to get overpaid: high usage, buzzy, limited portability offensive "stars" who are in "potential franchise player" conversations (however unlikely).
And the dynamics of our team situation and internal leverage are favorable enough that even Jalen and Sengun were extended for less than the world expected. That internal leverage is even stronger in Jabari and Tari's case.
My expectation: ~$25M AAV/5 yrs for Jabari, ~$18M AAV/5 yrs for Tari.
Remember, both will have strong motivation to put pen to paper on extensions as soon as possible this summer because it protects them from being included in any trade going out this summer, and cements them as long term parts of a "core" in Houston. Being trade bait for a star would create uncertainty about their big payday. They / their agents don't want that.
新秀续约市场的趋势是,像贾巴里尤其是伊森这样的球员,通常会签下性价比合同:他们的使用率低,进攻创造力有限,因伤病缺席过一些比赛,表现不够亮眼,被认为是职业生涯的角色球员。
而格林和申京则是那种容易被高估的球员:他们使用率高、话题性强,是“潜力股”型的进攻核心,经常被卷入“潜在基石球员”的讨论中(尽管可能性不大)。
而我们球队的情况和内部谈判筹码对我们非常有利,甚至格林和申京的续约金额都比外界预期的要低。而在贾巴里和伊森的案例中,这种内部筹码的优势更加明显。
我的预测:
- 贾巴里:约2500万美元年薪,5年合同(总计1.25亿美元左右)。
- 伊森:约1800万美元年薪,5年合同(总计9000万美元左右)。
记住,这两位球员都有很强的动力在今年夏天尽快签下续约合同,因为这可以保护他们不被卷入任何夏季交易,同时也能确保他们成为休斯顿“核心阵容”的长期组成部分。如果被当作交易明星球员的筹码,他们的大合同前景就会充满不确定性。他们以及他们的经纪人肯定不想冒这个险。
Amen has come in and replaced a lot of what Jabari offers as well outside of a jumper.
I think Jabari has been improving, but he’s still relatively average at everything offensively and can’t really create for others.
If he becomes and absolute knock down shooter then maybe we get into a high aav, but otherwise I’m good moving him for a star.
阿门的到来已经在很大程度上取代了贾巴里的作用,除了投篮这一项。
我觉得贾巴里确实在进步,但他在进攻端的各项能力依然相对平庸,而且他无法真正为队友创造机会。如果他能成为一个绝对可靠的顶级射手,那或许我们可以考虑给他一份高年薪的合同;但除此之外,我更倾向于将他作为交易筹码去换来一位明星球员。
The correct answer is that we should not give him an extension at all. We should see how he plays next season then sign him to a contract based upon that performance.
Everyone who says he deserves more than $20 million per year on an extension is basing that upon his potential. Jabari has the potential to be an excellent defensive player and a 40 percent 3-point shooter. He is neither of those things currently. He has never been an average starter in the NBA. Not even close. He is useful but not great defensively. He was shooting .354 from three this season prior to the injury. He was at .363 last season. He does nothing else offensively other than shoot 3s. A lot of those are open looks as he is the 5th option among the starters. Those percentages are really mediocre. Jalen Green gets a lot of hate on this board with similar efficiency. Jalen brings a lot more offensively than Jabari does. I think Jalen still has the potential to become an all-star. I don't believe Jabari does.
I like Jabari's potential and hope he comes back and plays well. I hope he continues to grow next season. Extending him based upon potential would be the same stupid move Stone made this past summer with Jalen Green. It limits our options. We're better off watching Jabari play next season and matching his contract to his performance next year. He will be a restricted free agent so we can match any offer he receives. Not many teams even try to make offers on restricted free agents. We should also preserve the option of including him in a trade for an upgrade should the right target come available.
正确的思路是,我们根本不应该给他提前续约。我们应该看看他下赛季的表现,然后根据他的表现来决定合同金额。
那些认为他值得每年超过2000万美元续约的人,完全是基于他的潜力在做判断。贾巴里有潜力成为一名出色的防守球员和40%命中率的三分射手,但他目前还远未达到这种水平。他从未在NBA中成为一个平均水准的首发球员,甚至连接近都谈不上。他在防守端有一定的作用,但并不出色。本赛季受伤前,他的三分命中率是35.4%,上赛季是36.3%。这些数据真的非常平庸。除了投三分,他在进攻端几乎没有任何其他贡献,而这些三分机会大多是空位出手,因为他是首发阵容中的第五选择。这样的命中率实在难以令人满意。杰伦·格林在这个论坛上经常被批评效率低下,但杰伦在进攻端带来的东西远比贾巴里多。我认为杰伦仍然有成为全明星的潜力,而贾巴里则没有。
我喜欢贾巴里的潜力,并希望他能健康回归并打出好的表现。我希望他下赛季能够继续成长。但如果基于潜力就给他提前续约,那就和斯通去年夏天对杰伦·格林所做的愚蠢决定如出一辙。这会限制我们的操作空间。更好的做法是观察贾巴里下赛季的表现,并根据他的实际表现来匹配合同金额。他将成为受限制自由球员,我们可以匹配任何其他球队给他的报价。事实上,很少有球队会对受限制自由球员提出报价。此外,我们也应该保留将他纳入交易的可能性,以便在未来有机会升级阵容时做出调整。
I don't know what the Rockets offer, but assuming Jabari finish the season at slightly higher than his current stats, 13/7/1 with high level defense he showed before his injury, get his TS% up a bit to the .58 range that make him average in the league, I don't think he accepts any offer less than 5/$150mil. In fact, I'm not even sure he'd accept that, but there's no way he accepts any offer with AAV under $30mil. These days 3&D type players who are indeed good enough in both areas get paid a lot. Even if they're not stars.
我不知道火箭队会给他开出什么样的报价,但如果假设贾巴里在本赛季结束时的数据略高于他目前的水平——比如场均13分、7篮板、1助攻,并且恢复到他在受伤前展现的高水平防守,同时将他的真实命中率提升到联盟平均水准的58%左右——我认为他不会接受任何低于5年1.5亿美元的报价。事实上,我甚至不确定他是否会接受这个数字,但他绝对不可能接受一份年薪低于3000万美元的合同。如今,真正能在3D两个方面都表现出色的球员,即便不是明星,也能拿到非常高的薪水。
Amens going to get max max.
brooks n fvv won’t be here long
If you pay Jabari 150 plus, I’m deleting my account. He is a bonafide 5th best player on your team. Good, but not great.
阿门肯定会拿到顶薪,甚至是“超级顶薪”。布鲁克斯和范弗利特不会在这里待太久。
如果你给贾巴里开出1.5亿美元以上的合同,我就要注销我的账户了。他确实是球队中排名第五好的球员,但也就是“还不错,但并不出色”的水平。
I think this is where the league is gonna go eventually. The contracts has gotten so high that, the extra money a player gets by testing the market, is not worth the injury risk. Stone used it wisely with Sengun and Green, and I believe they were good deals both for the team and the players. Other teams did not and i think it was a mistake on their part. I am anticipating that the same will happen with Jabari and we will keep him in the 25-30 million range, probably closer to 25.
我认为这正是联盟未来的发展方向。如今的合同金额已经高到一个程度,球员通过试水自由市场所获得的额外收益,已经不值得他们去冒受伤的风险。斯通在申京和杰伦·格林身上明智地利用了这一点,我觉得这对球队和球员来说都是双赢的好交易。其他球队没有这样做,我认为这是他们的失误。
我预计同样的情况也会发生在贾巴里身上,我们会把他锁定在2500万到3000万美元的年薪范围内,可能更接近2500万。
Jabari has the best defensive rating of anyone on this team with 105.9, so when people discount his defense I don't get their logic. Unless of course you thing defensive ratings are meaningless. Not only that, he's one of our best 3 PT shooters. I think a lot of people underestimate his value to this team, and don't have as much faith as I do that he will get better each year.
贾巴里在这支球队中的防守效率值是全队最好的,达到了105.9。所以当有人贬低他的防守能力时,我真的无法理解他们的逻辑。当然,除非你认为防守效率值毫无意义。不仅如此,他还是我们球队中最出色的三分射手之一。我觉得很多人低估了他对这支球队的价值,也没有像我一样对他每年都会进步抱有足够的信心。
Defensive rating is a primitive advanced stat that doesn't account for competition and depends upon the other 4 guys on the floor- in this case Jabari's teammates. Our schedule became significantly harder when Jabari was injured then FVV became hurt and that crippled us on both sides of the floor.
Better defensive advanced stats show the following-
Actual DPM for Jabari of -0.3.
Defense LEBRON +o.4
DARKO Defensive DPM- 0.0
So, overall, average defensively.
He has the potential to be terrific defensively. Great size, long arms and good lateral movement for a big. He's just not there yet.
防守效率(Defensive Rating)是一项较为基础的高阶数据,它并没有考虑到对手的实力,同时还依赖于场上的其他四名队友。当贾巴里受伤后,我们的赛程难度显著增加,随后范弗利特也受伤了,这让我们在攻防两端都陷入了困境。
更精确的防守高阶数据显示了以下内容:
贾巴里的实际防守正负值(DPM)为 -0.3 。
防守 LEBRON 值为 +0.4 。
DARKO 防守正负值(DPM)为 0.0 。
因此,总体来看,贾巴里的防守表现属于平均水平 。
他确实有潜力成为一名出色的防守者。他拥有出色的身体条件——身高、臂展和作为大个子球员的良好横向移动能力。只是他还没有完全兑现这些潜力。
I still love Bari, but I would be surprised if he gets paid as much as Jalen. Jalen is highly inconsistent, but he's at least dominant for stretches. Bari has never shown any ability to be dominant. Thus far, he's been nothing more than a role player. And this injury isn't helping his case, even if it is kind of a fluke thing.
我依然很喜欢贾巴里,但如果他拿到和格林同等的薪资,我会感到惊讶。杰伦的表现虽然非常不稳定,但至少他在某些时段能够展现出统治力。而贾巴里从未表现出任何能够成为场上主导者的能力。到目前为止,他仅仅是一个角色球员。而这次伤病——尽管可以说是一次意外——对他的价值评估也没有帮助。
At this point, they pay him for his rebounding and his switchability defense, overall defense.
The shooting is a plus but not his forte.
在现阶段,球队支付给他薪水的主要原因应该是他的篮板能力、换防能力和整体防守水平。
投篮是他的加分项,但并非他的强项。
He was supposed to be an elite shooter coming out of college. Together with defense, that's how he was projected to be the #1 pick until Orlando changed their mind right before the draft. His shooting was very disappointing during the rookie year. Now he has been shooting at 36% for 1.5 seasons, I'm not sure if he will ever turn into a 40+% shooter. But who knows. And I believe he still has some unexplored territory on offense such as a midrange or a low post game.
I guess what he will be offered will depend on how he performs the rest of the season and more importantly in the playoffs. He seems to have some mental blocks when it comes to high pressure situations.
贾巴里在大学时被认为是一名精英级别的射手。再加上他的防守能力,这正是他一度被预测会成为状元秀的原因,直到奥兰多魔术在选秀前最后一刻改变了主意。然而,他在新秀赛季的投篮表现令人非常失望。如今,他已经连续1.5个赛季保持36%左右的三分命中率,但我不确定他是否能成长为一名40%以上的射手。不过,未来的事谁又能说得准呢?而且我认为他在进攻端还有一些尚未开发的潜力,比如中距离投篮或低位技术。
我觉得他最终能得到的合同报价将取决于他本赛季剩余时间的表现,更重要的是他在季后赛中的发挥。他在高压情况下似乎存在一些心理障碍,这一点可能会影响他的市场价值和球队对他的信心。
I don't recall these mental blocks in high pressure situations. He rarely touches the ball in the fourth quarter as Ime goes to Jalen, FVV, and Sengun almost exclusively. Jabari is the youngest of our core and has continued to improve in the role he is given. This year's injury was extremely disappointing as he was playing at the highest level of his career and shooting over 40% from 3 after a slow start.
Ime offensive coaching this year has been abysmal even during our ascension to the 2nd seed (weak schedule and fortuitous injuries to our competitors). Jabari's injury forced him to insert Amen in the starting line-up. To his credit, he started to move FVV off the ball more often and the result was a temporary explosion on offense. When FVV got hurt, we had nobody other than Dillon that could hit a 3 pointer and the offense has grounded to a halt. If we get FVV and Jabari back, we will see if Ime can take advantage of the knowledge he got for that short span after Amen got the starting job and FVV going down or if he will revert to JVG style offense. If he moves Amen back to the bench in favor of Dillon Brooks, he deserves every bit of criticism he is currently getting and Jabari will continue to have pedestrian offensive production.
我不记得贾巴里在高压情况下有什么心理障碍。他在第四节几乎很少触球,因为乌度卡通常会把球权交给杰伦、范弗利特和申京。贾巴里是我们核心阵容中最年轻的球员,并且一直在他被赋予的角色中不断进步。今年的伤病确实令人非常失望,因为他当时正打出职业生涯最高水平的表现,并且在赛季初慢热之后,三分命中率一度超过了40%。
乌度卡本赛季的进攻执教表现可以说是糟糕透顶,即便我们在赛程轻松、竞争对手遭遇伤病的情况下攀升到了西部第二的位置。贾巴里的受伤迫使教练将阿门提上首发阵容。值得肯定的是,乌度卡开始更多地让范弗利特减少持球,结果球队的进攻一度迎来了短暂的爆发。然而,当范弗利特也受伤后,除了狄龙,我们几乎没有人能命中三分,进攻陷入了停滞。
如果范弗利特和贾巴里能够回归,我们将看到乌度卡是否会利用他在阿门首发、范弗利特缺阵那段时间学到的经验,还是会重新回到类似范甘迪式的僵化进攻体系。如果他选择把阿门放回替补席,而重新重用狄龙,那么他完全配得上目前受到的所有批评,而贾巴里的进攻产出也将继续平淡无奇。
原文地址:What do you put Bari’s extension at? | ClutchFans
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What do folks put Bari’s extension at? He’s the best shooter of the core 7 and he’s become one of our best defenders. He’s still one of the youngest guys on the team, and he’s the tallest of our core. Certainly limited athletically, but getting stronger every season. I think Bari is a must to extend. I put him around $30 mil per.
What do u put Bari’s extension at?
大家觉得史密斯的续约合同会是多少?他是七子中最好的射手,而且已经成为了我们最强的防守者之一。他仍然是队里最年轻的球员之一,同时也是核心阵容中最高的。虽然运动能力确实有些局限性,但每个赛季他的身体对抗都在变强。我认为小贾绝对是必须续约的球员。我给他估价大概在每年3000万美元左右。
你觉得小贾的续约合同应该是多少?
Agreed. 30/yr
Big men take awhile and he's on the come.
Longtime starting 4.
同意。给他每年3000万。
大个子球员的成长需要时间,而他正处在上升期。
他会是未来多年的首发四号位。
In my Core 7 spreadsheet, I have him at roughly
16% of Cap (1st yr)
= $25m (1st yr)
= $29m (average) for 5yrs (max raises)
However, for me, that is my anticipated best production from him. At this point, to get that, he’ll need to show-out in the playoffs.
I think Stone will get him for less now, or by attaching incentives.
在我的七子计划中,我给他的估值大概是:
工资帽的16%(第一年)
= 2500万(第一年)
= 2900万(平均年薪),为期5年(包含最大涨幅)。
不过,对我来说,这已经是我预期他能打出的最佳表现了。在现阶段,要想达到这个水平,他还需要在季后赛中证明自己。
我觉得斯通现在可以以更低的价格搞定他,或者通过附加激励条款来压价。
I think he'd take $25M AAV over 4 or 5 years. Offer him more than Dillon Brooks and it will be hard to say no. That's generational wealth for a guy who is currently a roleplayer.
我觉得他可能会接受一份平均年薪2500万美元、为期4到5年的合同。只要给他的报价比狄龙高,他就很难拒绝。对于一个目前还只是角色球员的他来说,这已经是改变世代的财富了。
I think some will be surprised what he signs. I’m guessing around the ballpark of Johnson, etc. (5 yrs, 130 - 150)
我觉得有些人会对他的签约金额感到惊讶。我猜大概会和卡梅隆约翰逊之类的球员差不多。(5年,1.3亿到1.5亿美元左右)。
Jabari being the best shooter out of the core 7 is so incredibly sad…he’s not even an average shooter
贾巴里被认为是七子中最好的射手,这真的让人感到无比沮丧……他甚至还算不上是一个平均水平的射手。
look at Bari’s improvement from year 1-2. Then look at what bari was shooting this year after his poor start until he got hurt. I see big progress. I don’t take his rookie Silas year seriously because he was obviously still adjusting to the nba 3pt line. But if you have watched him the last yr and a half you know that the shooting continues to improve and the defense from yr 2-3 has been a true revolution. I believe he’ll be at least a 37% 3pt shooter in the years to come. I honestly can’t say that for any of the core 7, although I hold out hope for Cam and Reed.
看看小贾从第一年到第二年的进步。然后再看看他在本赛季初期表现不佳之后、受伤之前的投篮数据。我能看到显著的进步。我并不把他菜鸟赛季的表现当回事,因为很明显他当时还在适应NBA的三分线。但如果你在过去一年半里有关注他,你就会知道他的投篮一直在进步,而从第二年到第三年,他的防守更是有了真正的飞跃。我相信在未来的几年里,他会成为一个至少能保持37%三分命中率的射手。说实话,对于七子里的其他人,我没法这么肯定,尽管我对惠特摩尔和谢泼德还抱有一些希望。
He's actually been pretty much dead-average on 3P% for a power forward this season--35.4% (league-wide it's 35.5% for PFs). However, he takes 4.8 three pointers per game, versus the league average for power forwards of 3.4 attempts. So when you factor in volume, I'd say he's a little bit above-average for his position right now.
Considering he's only 21, and his 3P% was actually a little bit better last season, I feel pretty confident he'll be a good shooter. I don't know if he'll be a great one like he was supposed to be.
本赛季,他的三分命中率其实几乎和大前锋的平均水平持平——35.4%(全联盟大前锋的平均三分命中率是35.5%)。然而,他每场比赛出手4.8次三分,而联盟大前锋的平均三分出手次数是3.4次。所以当你把出手量考虑进去,我会说他目前的表现其实稍微高于他这个位置的平均水平。
考虑到他才21岁,而且上赛季他的三分命中率其实还略高一些,我对他会成为一名不错的射手还是比较有信心的。不过,我并不确定他是否能成为当初人们期待的那种顶级射手。
fwiw: he’s having an outlier year shooting poorly on corner threes: 11-37 — 29.7%. (That won’t last)
Last year he shot 46% from corner, 34% ATB.
So, even despite the poor start, he’s improved and well-above league average on above-the-break threes shooting 37%. And like we did with Ariza, we need him out of the corner, so other lessor shooters can take that easier spot.
顺便提一句:他今年在底角三分的投篮表现非常异常,命中率很低——37投11中,只有29.7%。(这种情况不会持续下去的)。
去年他在底角三分的命中率是46%,而在弧顶以上的命中率是34%。
所以,即使考虑到他本赛季的低迷开局,他在弧顶以上的三分命中率仍然提升到了37%,远高于联盟平均水平。就像我们当年对阿里扎做的那样,我们需要让他更多地远离底角位置,这样其他投篮能力稍弱的球员可以利用那个相对更容易的投篮点。
5/160. He's been a longer term project than I thought he'd be but guys like Jabari don't grow on trees. His dribble has much improved this year and he's been one of the most important defenders on the team.
I'd imagine Stone locks him up as soon as possible.
5年1.6亿。他的成长过程比我预想的要漫长,但像贾巴里这样的球员可不是随随便便就能找到的。今年他的运球能力有了显著提升,同时他也是球队最重要的防守者之一。
我猜斯通会尽快把他锁定下来。
yeah, but a starting PF playing 30 mpg should be above overall league average for things like rebounding and shot blocking, that’s expected if for nothing else than height alone…shooting is something entirely different, and Jabari is supposed to be a shooter…that’s his main skillset
Idk wth happened to Reed…I’ve seen people post what his high school shooting percentage was and basically how well he’s shot outside of his college stint, and since then I’ve been wondering if we were bamboozled
Stone needs to get busy this summer because u can’t keep trotting out non-shooter after non-shooter after weak shooter after barely average shooter and think you’re gonna go far in this league
没错,但一个场均打30分钟的首发大前锋,在篮板和封盖这些数据上高于联盟整体平均水平是基本要求,光是身高这一点就决定了他应该做到这些……但投篮完全是另一回事,史密斯本应该是一个射手啊!这是他的主要技能包。
至于谢泼德,我真的不知道他到底怎么了……我看到有人贴出了他高中时的投篮命中率,还有他在大学之外的表现,基本上他一直以来的投篮都很不错。从那之后我就一直在想,我们是不是被忽悠了。
斯通今年夏天必须得忙起来了,因为如果你一直派上非射手、非射手、弱射手、勉强平均水准的射手,然后还指望在这个联盟里走得很远,那是不可能的。
I think you're right about his open market value, but we do have a little bit of leverage in the whole "if you want an extension right now, this is the deal". There's always risk in playing another season of NBA basketball--he could have a down season, he could get hurt and miss a bunch of games, worst case he could even have a career-altering injury (I hope not, knock on wood). And when a guy hasn't gotten his first big contract yet, that risk is magnified--it's hard to turn down something like $125M when it's staring you in the face.
我觉得你对他市场价值的判断是对的,但我们确实有一点点谈判筹码,那就是“如果你想现在就签下续约合同,这就是我们能给的了”。再打一个赛季的NBA总是有风险的——他可能会经历一个低谷赛季,可能会受伤缺席大量比赛,最糟糕的情况下甚至可能遭遇改变职业生涯的重伤(希望不会)。而且,对于一个还没有拿到第一份大合同的球员来说,这种风险会被放大——当一份1.25亿美元的合同摆在面前时,真的很难拒绝。
He’s not really good at anything on offense. His job is to stand in the corner. Poor ball handler with poor basketball IQ. He’s had exactly 33 assists in 33 games. He’s nothing special as a rebounder. I like what he does on defense at times, but he’s not the most physically tuff defender.
He’s nice to have in the rotation, and he’s a plus when hitting his three pointers. But, I’m not too excited about paying him anything north of 20mill per year. I know others are more enthusiastic about Jabari, but we can’t pay everyone and I’m not sure Jabari is one I want to pay.
他在进攻端其实没有什么特别突出的能力。他的任务基本上就是站在底角等机会。他的控球能力很差,篮球智商也不高。在33场比赛中,他只有33次助攻。作为一名篮板手,他也并不出色。虽然我有时确实喜欢他在防守端的表现,但他并不是那种身体对抗特别强硬的防守者。
他在轮换阵容中是个不错的补充,当他命中三分时确实能带来一些正面贡献。但是,我对他每年超过2000万美元的合同并不太感兴趣。我知道有些人对贾巴里更热情,但我们不可能付得起每个人的高额薪水,而且我不确定贾巴里是否是我愿意优先投资的球员。
I think they’re gonna pass on paying Tari…too injury prone, weak shooter, and his BBIQ is questionable…I think he’ll be in a trade for any star player they hopefully acquire
there’s a good chance Jalen isn’t here long term…he’s for sure the main one on the chopping block in a trade for a star with his salary
Cam is just a bench gunner…easily replaceable
I think they’ll try to keep Jabari
a lot of this “core 7” will be gone
我觉得制服组可能会选择不给伊森大合同……他太容易受伤,投篮能力薄弱,而且他的篮球智商也值得怀疑。我认为他可能会被卷入交易,用来换取他们希望得到的明星球员。
杰伦很可能不会长期留在球队……如果要通过交易引进一位明星球员,他几乎肯定是那个最容易被放弃的人,尤其是考虑到他的薪资。
惠特摩尔只是一个替补得分手……很容易被替代。
我觉得他们会努力留下贾巴里。
所谓的“七子”,其中很多人最终可能都会离开。
I like Tari but I think it's starting to really look like he's a bad fit given our current needs. We have plenty of defenders, we need shooting and playmaking. If we could trade him straight-up for a young-ish, plus shooter/solid-average defender and playmaker I think I might do it. Coby White? Austin Reaves?
我喜欢伊森,但越来越觉得他可能不符合我们目前的需求。我们已经有足够的防守者了,我们需要的是投篮和组织能力。如果能把他直接交易换来一个年轻、有一定投射能力、防守扎实且具备一定组织能力的球员,我觉得我会考虑这么做。比如科比·怀特?或者奥斯汀·里夫斯?
Jabari has been out for so long that people forgot how incredibly mid he is.
贾巴里已经缺席了这么久,以至于人们都忘了他有多么平庸。
I think Jabari will be worth $25m per season but I'd rather match what the market offers him. I think it's a case of we value him more because we literally need a 6'10 PF with a 7'2 wingspan who's switchable, gets stocks and can hit 3's. If we didn't have Jabari, we'd be looking for him. If the market says he's worth $30m, I believe it.
Big young two-way players who can make 3's > you simply can't get these under $20m.
我认为贾巴里的市场价值大约是每赛季2500万美元,但我更倾向于匹配市场给他的报价。我觉得这是因为我们对他有更高的需求——我们确实需要一名身高6尺10寸、臂展7尺2寸、能换防、能抢断封盖、还能命中三分的大前锋。如果我们没有贾巴里,我们也会去寻找一个类似他这样的球员。如果市场认为他值3000万,我们可以直接匹配。
年轻且能在攻防两端做出贡献、同时具备三分能力的大个子球员——这种类型的球员你根本不可能以低于2000万的价格签下。
Jabari will sign for 100M because of the market and not because he deserves it. We have no choice. I’m more interested in what Tari signs for.
贾巴里最终会签下一份过亿的合同,这更多是因为市场行情,而不是因为他真的值这个价。我们别无选择。我更关心伊森会签到什么样的合同。
So sounds like the consensus so far is between $20-$30 mil. Agreed that somewhere in the $20’s is probably more appropriate than $30.
As for the Tari talk, he’s a versatile 3/4 that can switch on anyone and I think still has shooting potential if he can stay on the court. I think k u work out something like Orlando did with Johnathan Issac; something reasonable that provides Tari security but protects the org. We should be able to keep Tari at a value, and that will be good for everyone. You keep Tari.
所以,目前的共识是史密斯的合同大概会在2000万到3000万美元之间。我同意,比起3000万,2000万出头可能更合适一些。
至于关于伊森的讨论,他是一个可以打三号位和四号位的多功能球员,能够换防任何对手。如果他能保持健康留在场上,我认为他仍然有投篮潜力。我觉得可以参考奥兰多魔术对乔纳森·艾萨克的做法:一份合理的合同,既能给伊森提供保障,又能保护球队利益。我们应该能够以一个合理的价格留住伊森,这对所有人来说都是好事。留下他吧。
The tendencies of the rookie extension market are that Jabari and especially Tari are the type of players who get value contracts: low usage, limited offensive creation, missed time due to injury, not flashy, perceived as career role players.
Jalen and Sengun are the type of players who tend to get overpaid: high usage, buzzy, limited portability offensive "stars" who are in "potential franchise player" conversations (however unlikely).
And the dynamics of our team situation and internal leverage are favorable enough that even Jalen and Sengun were extended for less than the world expected. That internal leverage is even stronger in Jabari and Tari's case.
My expectation: ~$25M AAV/5 yrs for Jabari, ~$18M AAV/5 yrs for Tari.
Remember, both will have strong motivation to put pen to paper on extensions as soon as possible this summer because it protects them from being included in any trade going out this summer, and cements them as long term parts of a "core" in Houston. Being trade bait for a star would create uncertainty about their big payday. They / their agents don't want that.
新秀续约市场的趋势是,像贾巴里尤其是伊森这样的球员,通常会签下性价比合同:他们的使用率低,进攻创造力有限,因伤病缺席过一些比赛,表现不够亮眼,被认为是职业生涯的角色球员。
而格林和申京则是那种容易被高估的球员:他们使用率高、话题性强,是“潜力股”型的进攻核心,经常被卷入“潜在基石球员”的讨论中(尽管可能性不大)。
而我们球队的情况和内部谈判筹码对我们非常有利,甚至格林和申京的续约金额都比外界预期的要低。而在贾巴里和伊森的案例中,这种内部筹码的优势更加明显。
我的预测:
- 贾巴里:约2500万美元年薪,5年合同(总计1.25亿美元左右)。
- 伊森:约1800万美元年薪,5年合同(总计9000万美元左右)。
记住,这两位球员都有很强的动力在今年夏天尽快签下续约合同,因为这可以保护他们不被卷入任何夏季交易,同时也能确保他们成为休斯顿“核心阵容”的长期组成部分。如果被当作交易明星球员的筹码,他们的大合同前景就会充满不确定性。他们以及他们的经纪人肯定不想冒这个险。
Amen has come in and replaced a lot of what Jabari offers as well outside of a jumper.
I think Jabari has been improving, but he’s still relatively average at everything offensively and can’t really create for others.
If he becomes and absolute knock down shooter then maybe we get into a high aav, but otherwise I’m good moving him for a star.
阿门的到来已经在很大程度上取代了贾巴里的作用,除了投篮这一项。
我觉得贾巴里确实在进步,但他在进攻端的各项能力依然相对平庸,而且他无法真正为队友创造机会。如果他能成为一个绝对可靠的顶级射手,那或许我们可以考虑给他一份高年薪的合同;但除此之外,我更倾向于将他作为交易筹码去换来一位明星球员。
The correct answer is that we should not give him an extension at all. We should see how he plays next season then sign him to a contract based upon that performance.
Everyone who says he deserves more than $20 million per year on an extension is basing that upon his potential. Jabari has the potential to be an excellent defensive player and a 40 percent 3-point shooter. He is neither of those things currently. He has never been an average starter in the NBA. Not even close. He is useful but not great defensively. He was shooting .354 from three this season prior to the injury. He was at .363 last season. He does nothing else offensively other than shoot 3s. A lot of those are open looks as he is the 5th option among the starters. Those percentages are really mediocre. Jalen Green gets a lot of hate on this board with similar efficiency. Jalen brings a lot more offensively than Jabari does. I think Jalen still has the potential to become an all-star. I don't believe Jabari does.
I like Jabari's potential and hope he comes back and plays well. I hope he continues to grow next season. Extending him based upon potential would be the same stupid move Stone made this past summer with Jalen Green. It limits our options. We're better off watching Jabari play next season and matching his contract to his performance next year. He will be a restricted free agent so we can match any offer he receives. Not many teams even try to make offers on restricted free agents. We should also preserve the option of including him in a trade for an upgrade should the right target come available.
正确的思路是,我们根本不应该给他提前续约。我们应该看看他下赛季的表现,然后根据他的表现来决定合同金额。
那些认为他值得每年超过2000万美元续约的人,完全是基于他的潜力在做判断。贾巴里有潜力成为一名出色的防守球员和40%命中率的三分射手,但他目前还远未达到这种水平。他从未在NBA中成为一个平均水准的首发球员,甚至连接近都谈不上。他在防守端有一定的作用,但并不出色。本赛季受伤前,他的三分命中率是35.4%,上赛季是36.3%。这些数据真的非常平庸。除了投三分,他在进攻端几乎没有任何其他贡献,而这些三分机会大多是空位出手,因为他是首发阵容中的第五选择。这样的命中率实在难以令人满意。杰伦·格林在这个论坛上经常被批评效率低下,但杰伦在进攻端带来的东西远比贾巴里多。我认为杰伦仍然有成为全明星的潜力,而贾巴里则没有。
我喜欢贾巴里的潜力,并希望他能健康回归并打出好的表现。我希望他下赛季能够继续成长。但如果基于潜力就给他提前续约,那就和斯通去年夏天对杰伦·格林所做的愚蠢决定如出一辙。这会限制我们的操作空间。更好的做法是观察贾巴里下赛季的表现,并根据他的实际表现来匹配合同金额。他将成为受限制自由球员,我们可以匹配任何其他球队给他的报价。事实上,很少有球队会对受限制自由球员提出报价。此外,我们也应该保留将他纳入交易的可能性,以便在未来有机会升级阵容时做出调整。
I don't know what the Rockets offer, but assuming Jabari finish the season at slightly higher than his current stats, 13/7/1 with high level defense he showed before his injury, get his TS% up a bit to the .58 range that make him average in the league, I don't think he accepts any offer less than 5/$150mil. In fact, I'm not even sure he'd accept that, but there's no way he accepts any offer with AAV under $30mil. These days 3&D type players who are indeed good enough in both areas get paid a lot. Even if they're not stars.
我不知道火箭队会给他开出什么样的报价,但如果假设贾巴里在本赛季结束时的数据略高于他目前的水平——比如场均13分、7篮板、1助攻,并且恢复到他在受伤前展现的高水平防守,同时将他的真实命中率提升到联盟平均水准的58%左右——我认为他不会接受任何低于5年1.5亿美元的报价。事实上,我甚至不确定他是否会接受这个数字,但他绝对不可能接受一份年薪低于3000万美元的合同。如今,真正能在3D两个方面都表现出色的球员,即便不是明星,也能拿到非常高的薪水。
Amens going to get max max.
brooks n fvv won’t be here long
If you pay Jabari 150 plus, I’m deleting my account. He is a bonafide 5th best player on your team. Good, but not great.
阿门肯定会拿到顶薪,甚至是“超级顶薪”。布鲁克斯和范弗利特不会在这里待太久。
如果你给贾巴里开出1.5亿美元以上的合同,我就要注销我的账户了。他确实是球队中排名第五好的球员,但也就是“还不错,但并不出色”的水平。
I think this is where the league is gonna go eventually. The contracts has gotten so high that, the extra money a player gets by testing the market, is not worth the injury risk. Stone used it wisely with Sengun and Green, and I believe they were good deals both for the team and the players. Other teams did not and i think it was a mistake on their part. I am anticipating that the same will happen with Jabari and we will keep him in the 25-30 million range, probably closer to 25.
我认为这正是联盟未来的发展方向。如今的合同金额已经高到一个程度,球员通过试水自由市场所获得的额外收益,已经不值得他们去冒受伤的风险。斯通在申京和杰伦·格林身上明智地利用了这一点,我觉得这对球队和球员来说都是双赢的好交易。其他球队没有这样做,我认为这是他们的失误。
我预计同样的情况也会发生在贾巴里身上,我们会把他锁定在2500万到3000万美元的年薪范围内,可能更接近2500万。
Jabari has the best defensive rating of anyone on this team with 105.9, so when people discount his defense I don't get their logic. Unless of course you thing defensive ratings are meaningless. Not only that, he's one of our best 3 PT shooters. I think a lot of people underestimate his value to this team, and don't have as much faith as I do that he will get better each year.
贾巴里在这支球队中的防守效率值是全队最好的,达到了105.9。所以当有人贬低他的防守能力时,我真的无法理解他们的逻辑。当然,除非你认为防守效率值毫无意义。不仅如此,他还是我们球队中最出色的三分射手之一。我觉得很多人低估了他对这支球队的价值,也没有像我一样对他每年都会进步抱有足够的信心。
Defensive rating is a primitive advanced stat that doesn't account for competition and depends upon the other 4 guys on the floor- in this case Jabari's teammates. Our schedule became significantly harder when Jabari was injured then FVV became hurt and that crippled us on both sides of the floor.
Better defensive advanced stats show the following-
Actual DPM for Jabari of -0.3.
Defense LEBRON +o.4
DARKO Defensive DPM- 0.0
So, overall, average defensively.
He has the potential to be terrific defensively. Great size, long arms and good lateral movement for a big. He's just not there yet.
防守效率(Defensive Rating)是一项较为基础的高阶数据,它并没有考虑到对手的实力,同时还依赖于场上的其他四名队友。当贾巴里受伤后,我们的赛程难度显著增加,随后范弗利特也受伤了,这让我们在攻防两端都陷入了困境。
更精确的防守高阶数据显示了以下内容:
贾巴里的实际防守正负值(DPM)为 -0.3 。
防守 LEBRON 值为 +0.4 。
DARKO 防守正负值(DPM)为 0.0 。
因此,总体来看,贾巴里的防守表现属于平均水平 。
他确实有潜力成为一名出色的防守者。他拥有出色的身体条件——身高、臂展和作为大个子球员的良好横向移动能力。只是他还没有完全兑现这些潜力。
I still love Bari, but I would be surprised if he gets paid as much as Jalen. Jalen is highly inconsistent, but he's at least dominant for stretches. Bari has never shown any ability to be dominant. Thus far, he's been nothing more than a role player. And this injury isn't helping his case, even if it is kind of a fluke thing.
我依然很喜欢贾巴里,但如果他拿到和格林同等的薪资,我会感到惊讶。杰伦的表现虽然非常不稳定,但至少他在某些时段能够展现出统治力。而贾巴里从未表现出任何能够成为场上主导者的能力。到目前为止,他仅仅是一个角色球员。而这次伤病——尽管可以说是一次意外——对他的价值评估也没有帮助。
At this point, they pay him for his rebounding and his switchability defense, overall defense.
The shooting is a plus but not his forte.
在现阶段,球队支付给他薪水的主要原因应该是他的篮板能力、换防能力和整体防守水平。
投篮是他的加分项,但并非他的强项。
He was supposed to be an elite shooter coming out of college. Together with defense, that's how he was projected to be the #1 pick until Orlando changed their mind right before the draft. His shooting was very disappointing during the rookie year. Now he has been shooting at 36% for 1.5 seasons, I'm not sure if he will ever turn into a 40+% shooter. But who knows. And I believe he still has some unexplored territory on offense such as a midrange or a low post game.
I guess what he will be offered will depend on how he performs the rest of the season and more importantly in the playoffs. He seems to have some mental blocks when it comes to high pressure situations.
贾巴里在大学时被认为是一名精英级别的射手。再加上他的防守能力,这正是他一度被预测会成为状元秀的原因,直到奥兰多魔术在选秀前最后一刻改变了主意。然而,他在新秀赛季的投篮表现令人非常失望。如今,他已经连续1.5个赛季保持36%左右的三分命中率,但我不确定他是否能成长为一名40%以上的射手。不过,未来的事谁又能说得准呢?而且我认为他在进攻端还有一些尚未开发的潜力,比如中距离投篮或低位技术。
我觉得他最终能得到的合同报价将取决于他本赛季剩余时间的表现,更重要的是他在季后赛中的发挥。他在高压情况下似乎存在一些心理障碍,这一点可能会影响他的市场价值和球队对他的信心。
I don't recall these mental blocks in high pressure situations. He rarely touches the ball in the fourth quarter as Ime goes to Jalen, FVV, and Sengun almost exclusively. Jabari is the youngest of our core and has continued to improve in the role he is given. This year's injury was extremely disappointing as he was playing at the highest level of his career and shooting over 40% from 3 after a slow start.
Ime offensive coaching this year has been abysmal even during our ascension to the 2nd seed (weak schedule and fortuitous injuries to our competitors). Jabari's injury forced him to insert Amen in the starting line-up. To his credit, he started to move FVV off the ball more often and the result was a temporary explosion on offense. When FVV got hurt, we had nobody other than Dillon that could hit a 3 pointer and the offense has grounded to a halt. If we get FVV and Jabari back, we will see if Ime can take advantage of the knowledge he got for that short span after Amen got the starting job and FVV going down or if he will revert to JVG style offense. If he moves Amen back to the bench in favor of Dillon Brooks, he deserves every bit of criticism he is currently getting and Jabari will continue to have pedestrian offensive production.
我不记得贾巴里在高压情况下有什么心理障碍。他在第四节几乎很少触球,因为乌度卡通常会把球权交给杰伦、范弗利特和申京。贾巴里是我们核心阵容中最年轻的球员,并且一直在他被赋予的角色中不断进步。今年的伤病确实令人非常失望,因为他当时正打出职业生涯最高水平的表现,并且在赛季初慢热之后,三分命中率一度超过了40%。
乌度卡本赛季的进攻执教表现可以说是糟糕透顶,即便我们在赛程轻松、竞争对手遭遇伤病的情况下攀升到了西部第二的位置。贾巴里的受伤迫使教练将阿门提上首发阵容。值得肯定的是,乌度卡开始更多地让范弗利特减少持球,结果球队的进攻一度迎来了短暂的爆发。然而,当范弗利特也受伤后,除了狄龙,我们几乎没有人能命中三分,进攻陷入了停滞。
如果范弗利特和贾巴里能够回归,我们将看到乌度卡是否会利用他在阿门首发、范弗利特缺阵那段时间学到的经验,还是会重新回到类似范甘迪式的僵化进攻体系。如果他选择把阿门放回替补席,而重新重用狄龙,那么他完全配得上目前受到的所有批评,而贾巴里的进攻产出也将继续平淡无奇。