[Morey] “People were debating
[McGrady] or Kobe for a while…Tracy had two years better than Kobe ever had,
just on individual accolades obviously”
Taken from an old Bill Simmons podcast I re-listened
to recently. Interesting take from Morey. Here’s some context to the
conversation that happened right after Morey’s take:
Simmons: “I also don’t think Kobe could’ve
ever won 22 games in a row with that Houston team. What T-Mac did with that
team was incredible.”
Morey: “People don’t realize T-Mac
literally made that happen. I remember the winning streak more than anything
after like win 17 when Carl Landry goes down. - We had already lost Yao [Ming]
at win 11. Carl Landry goes down and people don’t realize that Carl’s rookie
year he was just dominating, like just killing. And I’m going, ‘oh, well this
is over’ - Carl was key.
I talked to Tracy and we had just signed Mike
Harris, really really good player, still playing in China, and I’m
like ‘Tracy, man, Carl Landry’s out’.
Tracy said, ‘oh, what’s wrong?’ and I told
Tracy ‘well, Carl’s been really great for us’.
Tracy responded, ‘well, I’m making him
great. Mike Harris will be just as good, don’t worry’. And he was right.”
Curious to see what r/nba thinks. Does
Morey's claim have merit? Kobe had the better career as a whole, but Morey is
specifically making the argument that peak T-Mac was more potent as an
397 指標 11小時前
Fun fact Vince is older than Kobe and Kobe
is older than T Mac
205 指標 9小時前
Now this is extremely interesting. Old man
Vince still balling while the 'youngsters' are on the sidelines.
164 指標 7小時前
Whats more interesting is that Vince has
still managed to be a valuable rotation guy despite the one trait that made him
great (athleticism) going away completely.
123 指標 7小時前
He can still do windmill dunks. His
athleticism isn't gone completely, he just has a reserve left that noticeably
moves closer to empty each time he uses some up.
131 指標 9小時前
I know it’s cliche to talk about how
everyone on r nba is 12 or has only been watching the league for 2 years or
blah blah blah, but as a 29 year old life long NBA fan I distinctly remember
Kobe vs TMac being a debate for a couple years. As a Kove hater (at the time) I
obviously was on team TMac, but it was not unreasonable to suggest he was the
better player back then.
Go back and look at the numbers; peak TMac
was INSANE. His legacy will (obviously) never be a tenth of Kobe’s because he
never won anything, but for a couple years there he was definitely a top
five/top three player on the planet.
[–]Pistonskingd92[🍰] 45 指標 9小時前*
Over 3 Orlando playoff appearances: 32 ppg,
5.9 apg, 6.5 rpg, 1.5 stlpg, effective FG% 47.1
Edit: People always talk about his playoff
exits but I feel like they have no idea how well he played in those playoffs.
30 指標 9小時前
People don't care. He didn't win therefore
he's not better. Individual performances should not be tied to team
accomplishments. It makes no sense to bash a player's legacy because of their
[–]FranksGun 42 指標 11小時前
Anyone else have a pair of Mcgradys? ✋. I loved mine.
166 指標 11小時前
The Kobe/T-Mac debate was close but Kobe
was the better player. His peak was better than Tracy's so I'm not sure what
Morey means by him having "two years better than Kobe ever had".
It does make sense he'd be making a case
for McGrady because of the Houston connection, tho.
121 指標 11小時前
He was literally his GM.
[–]suphater 75 指標 11小時前
peak was better than Tracy's
Peak McGrady led the league in PER, WS/48,
BPM, ppg, and had 56%TS on 32/6.5/5.5. Only 2.7 turnovers per game with
incredibly high usage.
I'm not saying it's definitely McGrady, but
let's not be lazy, peak McGrady was up there.
63 指標 10小時前
I mean Kobe did average 35/5.5/4.5 one year
on .05%ts lower.
436 指標 11小時前
Kobe won MVP the year the rockets went on
that streak though
288 指標 10小時前
The argument was when McGrady was in
Orlando, mainly that 32ppg season. By the time TMac was in Houston , it wasn't
debatable between him and Kobe
If anything, Lebron and Wade had passed
TMac by then
177 指標 10小時前
even then, kobe has seasons which are the
same level if not better statistically on the offensive end. But he was also a
dominant defender in his prime where tmac took a lot of possessions off
77 指標 10小時前
it was like the early days of melo vs
lebron argument. Sure you could debate one was better than the other, but
having the opportunity, only one was the right choice
507 指標 11小時前
Offensively there is argument for sure,
T-Mac had a great touch around the basket and perimeter game
(for the time) early on that rivaled Kobe. But if we are talking peaks, why are
we ignoring Kobe's defense? T-Mac was your standard taking plays off on defense
339 指標 9小時前
People forgot that T-Mac was much more
Pippen-esque in his Toronto and early Magic days. He was a very good defender
when he was young and had to carry less of the offensive load.
T-Mac + Grant Hill is one of the biggest
"what if?" duos ever. I think Tracy would be much more highly
regarded if he got to play off a healthy Grant Hill in Orlando.
[–]Pistonskingd92[🍰] 192 指標 9小時前
T-Mac came into the league as a defender.
Became a scorer later.
161 指標 9小時前
forgot that T-Mac was much more Pippen-esque in his Toronto and early Magic
days. He was a very good defender when he was young and had to carry less of
the offensive load.
+ Grant Hill is one of the biggest "what if?" duos ever. I think
Tracy would be much more highly regarded if he got to play off a healthy Grant
Hill in Orlando.
I'm so glad to see you write this. The
T-Mac didn't play D narrative is a clear falsehood that needs to die a quick
72 指標 9小時前
I believe somewhere Dirk said Tracy McGrady
was one of the best guys at defending him
42 指標 6小時前
Kobe said this as well after Tmac guarded
him exclusively for nearly an entire game. Many articles were written about
this performance at the time.
31 指標 9小時前
The argument is he didn't put nearly as
much effort on defense later on once he became a prolific scorer, that is
perfectly justified by looking at the end of his ORL tenure and HOU.
78 指標 8小時前
I mean, neither did Kobe. Despite the
reputation all-defence nods later in his career, Kobe’s best defensive years
were all clearly before Shaq left.
30 指標 7小時前
if we are talking peaks, why are we ignoring Kobe's defense?
Kobe's defense is hands down the most
overrated aspect of his game
23 指標 7小時前
When did you start watching basketball because
you can't justify that from 99 to at least 05 or 06.
28 指標 7小時前
Since 96. Watch Kobe doin work, he admits
he likes to switchimg off the ball so he can be more like a free safety. He did
that for entire seasons yet the only thing people remember are him guarding
someone 1v1 in the last two minutes of the finals.
[–]reaganbill 79 指標 11小時前*
lol damn people still trying to downplay
Kobe. If you actually watched the games, every time your team tried to come
back on the Lakers, Kobe would kill your hopes.
54 指標 10小時前
Kobe was a more efficient player than
McGrady...this idea that Kobe was AI needs to stop. He was better than TMac at
his peak, on average, had a much longer peak, and was a good player for like
7-8 years longer than TMac was.