Isaiah Thomas was held to under 20 points 5 times in the regular season. In these playoffs, he's been held to under 20 7 times. (self.nba)
小托马斯在常规赛里一共只有5次得分被限制在20分以下，但在季后赛中，他得分不够20分却出现了7次。
He's had some great games in these playoffs, but he's also been shut down a lot.
他确实在季后赛里打出过一些非常棒的表现，但被锁死的次数确实也不少。
[–]Nets BandwagonLanaRhoades- 453 指標 1 天前*
in 78 games, Derozan didnt have a game with less than 10 points, in the playoffs in 10 games he had two of them including a game where he went 0-8.
playoffs are different, defenses are much better and focused, thats why u see players choke and not be as good as in the regular season, the pressure and the defense
在78场比赛中，德罗赞每场比赛得分都上了双，但是季后赛的十场比赛里，却出现了两次得分不上双的情况，而且还包括一场8中0的比赛。
季后赛是不一样的，防守更强也更专注，这就是为啥你会看到球员出现卡壳的现象，以及他们无法打出常规赛时候的优秀表现，主要就是因为压力和防守强度。
[–]Magiccornboss 225 指標 1 天前
Yet LeBron goes into another gear for the playoffs.
但詹姆斯还是有办法在季后赛里变成另一种状态。
[–]Nets BandwagonLanaRhoades- 273 指標 1 天前
LeBron is an all time great, these guys are just all star level players, there have been hundreds of players like DeRozan or Thomas, there have only been two players as good as LeBron
詹姆斯可是历史级巨星，这些人就是全明星级别的球员，历史上有过上百个跟德罗赞和小托马斯差不多的球员，却只出现过两个跟詹姆斯一个级别的球员。
[–]Trail BlazersIAmNewSam 98 指標 1 天前
hes 5'9" and dropped 53 in the playoffs, due to his size imo there will be nights when he pretty much has to pass and the celtics still won a lot of games like that even tho he wasn't the biggest scoring punch because he can provide other things. he brings more to the table than just scoring 20+ imo.
他只有175却在季后赛砍下过53分，考虑到他的身形，肯定会有他不得不传球的比赛，但是凯尔特人在他不是第一得分火力点的比赛里依旧赢了很多场，因为除了得分他依旧可以做出其他的贡献。他的贡献在我看来不只是场均得到20+的分数。
[–]Celticsceltic-pride1 18 指標 1 天前
he had to pass more in order for the celtics to get past the wizards. there was too much attention on him and celtics were getting killed. IT made the adjustments and they paid off.
他需要做出更多的传球，凯尔特人才最终越过了奇才。他获得的注意力太多了，而且凯尔特人眼看就要输球。小托马斯做出了调整，最后这个调整收到了成效。
[–]junkit33 41 指標 1 天前
It sounds like his hip has been a much bigger issue than anyone ever guessed. Celtics were surprised he wasn't shut down in Washington series.
Between that and his sister, the guy has been through a lot more than most. I wouldn't really judge his performance for anything.
我觉得他的臀部伤势好像比大家猜想的还要严重一些，他在对阵奇才的系列赛里没被锁死应该就已经让凯尔特人感到惊喜了吧。
在臀部伤势和他妹妹的事情之中，他经历了比我们中的大多数人都要多的事情。我不会妄加评论他的表现的。
[–]CelticsITsLoverBoy 255 指標 1 天前
People should actually bother watching the games before talking. He didnt choke in the playoffs at any point. 3 of those games were against the bulls which the Celtics won all 3. He simply didnt need to score 20+ in some games because he was getting doubled and had to give up the ball. Lets not forget he was apparently playing with an injury, had a death in his family right before the playoffs, and had an 11 hour surgery. Despite all this, he didnt miss a single game and dropped multiple 30+ point games, as well as a fucking 53 point game. Really the only time you can blame him is for the last 2 games against the cavs (which theyre not supposed to win and are completely outmatched. Im just tired of all the disrespect he still gets despite proving everyone wrong his whole life.
大家在随便张嘴之前应该先看一下他的比赛，他从来没有在季后赛里出现过卡壳的情况。楼主说的那里面有三场是在对阵公牛的时候，那三场比赛凯尔特人都赢了，他不需要在那些比赛里拿到20+因为他被包夹了，必须把球分出去。更不能忘了他是在带伤作战，在季后赛刚开始的时候就遭受了亲人离世的巨大打击，还经历了长达11个小时的手术（牙齿）。在这些东西的基础上，他没有缺席任何一场比赛，而且打出了很多次单场30+的表现。当然还有日天的53分。唯一可以甩锅给他的，就是他在最近两次对阵骑士时候的表现，（虽然他们本来就赢不下来，对位完全被克制）。但我真的是受够了他在用自己的一生证明大家对他的看法是错误的时候，却还会如此不被尊重。
[–]CelticsR0ndoNumba9 19 指標 1 天前
Teams really game planned to shut him down. When they did, he adjusted and passed to guys for open looks more. When those players with open looks actually made the shots, the Cs won. When they missed....they got blown out. His turnovers did go up a little in the playoffs from 2.8 to 3.3.
球队们都拿出了想要锁死他的战术。当他们真的执行的时候，他调整自己的比赛，把球更多的传给空位的队友。当那些有空位的队友真的能够命中投篮的时候，凯尔特人就赢球了。当他们投不进的时候……凯尔特人就被打花了。他的失误在季后赛里确实上升了，从2.8个到了3.3个。
[–]SupersonicsHeeeroh 11 指標 1 天前
He's also been playing with a hurt hip since mid March and re-aggravated the injury multiple times during this playoff run...
而且从三月中旬开始他就是拖着受伤的臀部在打球，在季后赛里还多次加重了伤病。
[–]CelticsGMPunk75 67 指標 1 天前*
Shut down a lot? You did not watch any of the games. lol
3 or 4 of those games he didn't even need to score 20+ and we still won.
16 point against Chi, C's win 104-87
12 points against Chi, C's win 105-83
18 points against the Wiz. C's win 123-101
凯尔特人球迷：被锁死了很多次？？？呵呵你可能是没看那几场球吧。
那里面有3，4场我们不需要他得到20+的分数就赢球了。
对阵公牛得到16分的时候，104-87赢球。
对阵公牛得到12分的时候，105-83赢球。
对阵奇才得到18分的时候，123-101赢球。
[–]76ersbaconshake8 12 指標 1 天前
I mean, he is known for scoring a bunch in the fourth quarter. Kind of hard to do that when you're sitting on the bench in a blowout.
我觉得吧，他第四节疯狂砍分的能力比较出名，如果比赛打花坐在板凳上的话，就很难在第四节得很多分了。
[–][POR] Damian Lillardirelli 51 指標 1 天前
You're conveniently leaving out his FG% in those games. Just because they didn't need him to win, doesn't mean he didn't get shut down.
There's a big difference between going like 6/11 for 15 points in a blowout win where you played 24 minutes vs going 7-18 for 16 points in 31 in a blowout win (IT G3 vs Bulls).
你这是很舒服得直接把那些比赛里的命中率漏掉了。他打出那样的表现就是因为他们不需要他发挥就能赢球，这也不意味着他被锁死了。
在一场打花的比赛中上场24分钟11中6拿下15分和上场31分钟，18中7拿下16分（小托马斯对阵公牛的第三场）还是有很大差别的。
[–]edwardsamson 57 指標 1 天前
Yet no one is talking about his assists in these games. Multiple 10+ assists games when he was under 20 points.
同时根本没有人提他的助攻，这些得分不到20的比赛中有很多次助攻都上了双。
[–][HOU] James Harden20MD20 24 指標 1 天前
In nearly all of those wins he was kicking the ball out for assists.
I guess you could say that a star is truly not shut down if they just play off the double team, but even LeBron James hardly does that and continuously kicks out for the open 3 or whatever. Maybe his FG% was low; but his presence still led to the W- I wouldn't call that getting shut down. It would be getting shut down if he were removed from the offense and couldn't playmake against the double team.
几乎那些赢球的比赛里，他都把球分出去助攻队友了。
我觉得如果球星被包夹的话，是不能说他们被锁死了的。但是哪怕詹姆斯也不会一直被包夹，一直分球。可能他的命中率会低，但是他在场上的存在还是会领导他们最后拿到胜利。我不会把这称作是被锁死。如果他在进攻端完全消失，然后在面对包夹的时候根本创造不出进攻机会，才叫做被锁死。
[–]CelticsITsLoverBoy 22 指標 1 天前
Because its the "choke" narrative. Choking means you didnt perform when your team needed you most. As we can see, he clearly performed when he was needed, and as literally every player not named Lebron, he had some bad games.
因为我们说的是卡壳这个事，卡壳意味着你在球队最需要你的时候，没能打出应有的表现。我们都能看到，球队需要他的时候，他都给球队续上了。还有除去一个叫詹姆斯的球员，其他人都会偶尔打出一些表现不太好的比赛。
[–]Warriorsw3bCraw1er 14 指標 1 天前*
It's unreal how much disrespect IT gets. What he does for his size is unique. He has his challenges but still I don't remember seeing anyone like him. Stars with better physique like Lowry, DeRozan, Kyrie and so many more can't even match what he has done this year but people still keep finding faults. His defense is going to be a problem. He is shortest star player in the league. People said he is going to be shut down in playoffs. He has outplayed Wall ,Beal, Butler, and pretty much everyone so far. He is pick # 60 guys. Look where he is now. Choke is the last thing I can ever think about IT when stars like LeBron (2011 mavs finals, 2010 Celtics ECF), Harden (Finals against Heat, this year) have quit on their teams or choked hundreds of times before. What are the excuses there? Despite sisters death, surgery on teeth, he didn't take a break.
小托马斯得到的不尊重简直不可思议。他在他这个体型的基础上打出的表现实在是太独特了。他也有他需要面对的挑战但我还是不记得见过哪个人跟他一样。有的球星身体条件更好，比如洛瑞，德罗赞，欧文还有其他很多人却都达不到他今年的表现，但人们却依旧总是在给他挑刺。他的防守会是个问题。他是联盟最矮的球星等等。人们说他在季后赛会被锁死。但他却打得比沃尔，比尔，巴特勒，甚至可以说是所有人都更优秀。他是第60顺位啊，朋友们。看看他现在取得了怎样的成就。卡壳是提到小托马斯的时候我最不会想到的词，考虑到詹姆斯（2011年对阵小牛的决赛，2010年对阵凯尔特人的东部决赛），哈登（对阵热火的决赛，和今年）都曾不少次抛弃过自己的球队，或者说在之前卡壳过很多次。他们有什么借口呢？除了他妹妹的离世，牙齿手术，小托马斯真的根本没有放松过。
翻译：@不剩菜
Isaiah Thomas was held to under 20 points 5 times in the regular season. In these playoffs, he's been held to under 20 7 times. (self.nba)
小托马斯在常规赛里一共只有5次得分被限制在20分以下，但在季后赛中，他得分不够20分却出现了7次。
He's had some great games in these playoffs, but he's also been shut down a lot.
他确实在季后赛里打出过一些非常棒的表现，但被锁死的次数确实也不少。
[–]Nets BandwagonLanaRhoades- 453 指標 1 天前*
in 78 games, Derozan didnt have a game with less than 10 points, in the playoffs in 10 games he had two of them including a game where he went 0-8.
playoffs are different, defenses are much better and focused, thats why u see players choke and not be as good as in the regular season, the pressure and the defense
在78场比赛中，德罗赞每场比赛得分都上了双，但是季后赛的十场比赛里，却出现了两次得分不上双的情况，而且还包括一场8中0的比赛。
季后赛是不一样的，防守更强也更专注，这就是为啥你会看到球员出现卡壳的现象，以及他们无法打出常规赛时候的优秀表现，主要就是因为压力和防守强度。
[–]Magiccornboss 225 指標 1 天前
Yet LeBron goes into another gear for the playoffs.
但詹姆斯还是有办法在季后赛里变成另一种状态。
[–]Nets BandwagonLanaRhoades- 273 指標 1 天前
LeBron is an all time great, these guys are just all star level players, there have been hundreds of players like DeRozan or Thomas, there have only been two players as good as LeBron
詹姆斯可是历史级巨星，这些人就是全明星级别的球员，历史上有过上百个跟德罗赞和小托马斯差不多的球员，却只出现过两个跟詹姆斯一个级别的球员。
[–]Trail BlazersIAmNewSam 98 指標 1 天前
hes 5'9" and dropped 53 in the playoffs, due to his size imo there will be nights when he pretty much has to pass and the celtics still won a lot of games like that even tho he wasn't the biggest scoring punch because he can provide other things. he brings more to the table than just scoring 20+ imo.
他只有175却在季后赛砍下过53分，考虑到他的身形，肯定会有他不得不传球的比赛，但是凯尔特人在他不是第一得分火力点的比赛里依旧赢了很多场，因为除了得分他依旧可以做出其他的贡献。他的贡献在我看来不只是场均得到20+的分数。
[–]Celticsceltic-pride1 18 指標 1 天前
he had to pass more in order for the celtics to get past the wizards. there was too much attention on him and celtics were getting killed. IT made the adjustments and they paid off.
他需要做出更多的传球，凯尔特人才最终越过了奇才。他获得的注意力太多了，而且凯尔特人眼看就要输球。小托马斯做出了调整，最后这个调整收到了成效。
[–]junkit33 41 指標 1 天前
It sounds like his hip has been a much bigger issue than anyone ever guessed. Celtics were surprised he wasn't shut down in Washington series.
Between that and his sister, the guy has been through a lot more than most. I wouldn't really judge his performance for anything.
我觉得他的臀部伤势好像比大家猜想的还要严重一些，他在对阵奇才的系列赛里没被锁死应该就已经让凯尔特人感到惊喜了吧。
在臀部伤势和他妹妹的事情之中，他经历了比我们中的大多数人都要多的事情。我不会妄加评论他的表现的。
[–]CelticsITsLoverBoy 255 指標 1 天前
People should actually bother watching the games before talking. He didnt choke in the playoffs at any point. 3 of those games were against the bulls which the Celtics won all 3. He simply didnt need to score 20+ in some games because he was getting doubled and had to give up the ball. Lets not forget he was apparently playing with an injury, had a death in his family right before the playoffs, and had an 11 hour surgery. Despite all this, he didnt miss a single game and dropped multiple 30+ point games, as well as a fucking 53 point game. Really the only time you can blame him is for the last 2 games against the cavs (which theyre not supposed to win and are completely outmatched. Im just tired of all the disrespect he still gets despite proving everyone wrong his whole life.
大家在随便张嘴之前应该先看一下他的比赛，他从来没有在季后赛里出现过卡壳的情况。楼主说的那里面有三场是在对阵公牛的时候，那三场比赛凯尔特人都赢了，他不需要在那些比赛里拿到20+因为他被包夹了，必须把球分出去。更不能忘了他是在带伤作战，在季后赛刚开始的时候就遭受了亲人离世的巨大打击，还经历了长达11个小时的手术（牙齿）。在这些东西的基础上，他没有缺席任何一场比赛，而且打出了很多次单场30+的表现。当然还有日天的53分。唯一可以甩锅给他的，就是他在最近两次对阵骑士时候的表现，（虽然他们本来就赢不下来，对位完全被克制）。但我真的是受够了他在用自己的一生证明大家对他的看法是错误的时候，却还会如此不被尊重。
[–]CelticsR0ndoNumba9 19 指標 1 天前
Teams really game planned to shut him down. When they did, he adjusted and passed to guys for open looks more. When those players with open looks actually made the shots, the Cs won. When they missed....they got blown out. His turnovers did go up a little in the playoffs from 2.8 to 3.3.
球队们都拿出了想要锁死他的战术。当他们真的执行的时候，他调整自己的比赛，把球更多的传给空位的队友。当那些有空位的队友真的能够命中投篮的时候，凯尔特人就赢球了。当他们投不进的时候……凯尔特人就被打花了。他的失误在季后赛里确实上升了，从2.8个到了3.3个。
[–]SupersonicsHeeeroh 11 指標 1 天前
He's also been playing with a hurt hip since mid March and re-aggravated the injury multiple times during this playoff run...
而且从三月中旬开始他就是拖着受伤的臀部在打球，在季后赛里还多次加重了伤病。
[–]CelticsGMPunk75 67 指標 1 天前*
Shut down a lot? You did not watch any of the games. lol
3 or 4 of those games he didn't even need to score 20+ and we still won.
16 point against Chi, C's win 104-87
12 points against Chi, C's win 105-83
18 points against the Wiz. C's win 123-101
凯尔特人球迷：被锁死了很多次？？？呵呵你可能是没看那几场球吧。
那里面有3，4场我们不需要他得到20+的分数就赢球了。
对阵公牛得到16分的时候，104-87赢球。
对阵公牛得到12分的时候，105-83赢球。
对阵奇才得到18分的时候，123-101赢球。
[–]76ersbaconshake8 12 指標 1 天前
I mean, he is known for scoring a bunch in the fourth quarter. Kind of hard to do that when you're sitting on the bench in a blowout.
我觉得吧，他第四节疯狂砍分的能力比较出名，如果比赛打花坐在板凳上的话，就很难在第四节得很多分了。
[–][POR] Damian Lillardirelli 51 指標 1 天前
You're conveniently leaving out his FG% in those games. Just because they didn't need him to win, doesn't mean he didn't get shut down.
There's a big difference between going like 6/11 for 15 points in a blowout win where you played 24 minutes vs going 7-18 for 16 points in 31 in a blowout win (IT G3 vs Bulls).
你这是很舒服得直接把那些比赛里的命中率漏掉了。他打出那样的表现就是因为他们不需要他发挥就能赢球，这也不意味着他被锁死了。
在一场打花的比赛中上场24分钟11中6拿下15分和上场31分钟，18中7拿下16分（小托马斯对阵公牛的第三场）还是有很大差别的。
[–]edwardsamson 57 指標 1 天前
Yet no one is talking about his assists in these games. Multiple 10+ assists games when he was under 20 points.
同时根本没有人提他的助攻，这些得分不到20的比赛中有很多次助攻都上了双。
[–][HOU] James Harden20MD20 24 指標 1 天前
In nearly all of those wins he was kicking the ball out for assists.
I guess you could say that a star is truly not shut down if they just play off the double team, but even LeBron James hardly does that and continuously kicks out for the open 3 or whatever. Maybe his FG% was low; but his presence still led to the W- I wouldn't call that getting shut down. It would be getting shut down if he were removed from the offense and couldn't playmake against the double team.
几乎那些赢球的比赛里，他都把球分出去助攻队友了。
我觉得如果球星被包夹的话，是不能说他们被锁死了的。但是哪怕詹姆斯也不会一直被包夹，一直分球。可能他的命中率会低，但是他在场上的存在还是会领导他们最后拿到胜利。我不会把这称作是被锁死。如果他在进攻端完全消失，然后在面对包夹的时候根本创造不出进攻机会，才叫做被锁死。
[–]CelticsITsLoverBoy 22 指標 1 天前
Because its the "choke" narrative. Choking means you didnt perform when your team needed you most. As we can see, he clearly performed when he was needed, and as literally every player not named Lebron, he had some bad games.
因为我们说的是卡壳这个事，卡壳意味着你在球队最需要你的时候，没能打出应有的表现。我们都能看到，球队需要他的时候，他都给球队续上了。还有除去一个叫詹姆斯的球员，其他人都会偶尔打出一些表现不太好的比赛。
[–]Warriorsw3bCraw1er 14 指標 1 天前*
It's unreal how much disrespect IT gets. What he does for his size is unique. He has his challenges but still I don't remember seeing anyone like him. Stars with better physique like Lowry, DeRozan, Kyrie and so many more can't even match what he has done this year but people still keep finding faults. His defense is going to be a problem. He is shortest star player in the league. People said he is going to be shut down in playoffs. He has outplayed Wall ,Beal, Butler, and pretty much everyone so far. He is pick # 60 guys. Look where he is now. Choke is the last thing I can ever think about IT when stars like LeBron (2011 mavs finals, 2010 Celtics ECF), Harden (Finals against Heat, this year) have quit on their teams or choked hundreds of times before. What are the excuses there? Despite sisters death, surgery on teeth, he didn't take a break.
小托马斯得到的不尊重简直不可思议。他在他这个体型的基础上打出的表现实在是太独特了。他也有他需要面对的挑战但我还是不记得见过哪个人跟他一样。有的球星身体条件更好，比如洛瑞，德罗赞，欧文还有其他很多人却都达不到他今年的表现，但人们却依旧总是在给他挑刺。他的防守会是个问题。他是联盟最矮的球星等等。人们说他在季后赛会被锁死。但他却打得比沃尔，比尔，巴特勒，甚至可以说是所有人都更优秀。他是第60顺位啊，朋友们。看看他现在取得了怎样的成就。卡壳是提到小托马斯的时候我最不会想到的词，考虑到詹姆斯（2011年对阵小牛的决赛，2010年对阵凯尔特人的东部决赛），哈登（对阵热火的决赛，和今年）都曾不少次抛弃过自己的球队，或者说在之前卡壳过很多次。他们有什么借口呢？除了他妹妹的离世，牙齿手术，小托马斯真的根本没有放松过。
翻译：@不剩菜
