Joel Embiid Extension (self.nba)
I was listening to the Woj Video Essay on Embiid's Extension and the topic is kinda fascinating. He's eligible for a 5 year 151 million dollar extension this summer. The negotiation between both sides will get very interesting this summer.
Who has the leverage?
How much does he get in guranteed money?
Can you commit max money to an injury prone player?
Do you let him go to restricted free agency where another team can give him a poisonous contract such as including player option years and trade kickers?
Do you contemplate trading him before the season starts to get value back if you don't want to max him like you didn't want to max Noel?
How do you guys see this scenario playing out?
[–]Bullswylin247 26 指標 11小時前
He's play 31 professional games, no way hes getting the max.
[–]Lakerspickprotection[S] 5 指標 11小時前
Ok but what do you do from the Sixers standpoint if he is hell bent on a max. Do you offer it to him, do you trade him before he hits restricted free agency, or do you wait till he hits restricted free agency and just match any contract?
[–]Bullswylin247 3 指標 11小時前
Wait till restricted and hope some other team isn't desperate to give him the max.
[–]Nuggetssborado 11 指標 10小時前
The Nets are that desperate.
[–][CLE] Kyrie IrvingZaDu25 3 指標 6小時前
Yeah without any draft capital to speak of I can't imagine they don't throw a max deal at him and hope for the best. They're looking at a really long rebuild either way so may as well take a shot on a better prospect than you'll find in the draft with their remaining picks.
[–]Lakerskkhire 7 指標 9小時前
bro there'll be 10 teams that will throw him the max. he's so good that the risk is worth it
[–]Warriorsorphan_tears_ 1 指標 6小時前
There's absolutely no way that they trade him or let him walk. Philly would crucify them. I don't think they'll offer a max, but they'll match one if someone else does
[–]BullsHollow41 22 指標 11小時前
If you max him, you are stupid, if you let him walk, you are stupid too.
[–]Lakerspickprotection[S] 2 指標 11小時前
So what do you do if he doesn't accept your offer and says I'll wait till restricted free agency and someone offers the max. Are you stupid either way or do you trade him this summer if he refuses your offer?
[–]BullsHollow41 2 指標 11小時前
Honestly I don't know, being Colangelo in this situation suck. I would just try to do mental gymnastic and if he wants max money then convince him to take a 2 year deal or something like that.
[–]Lakerspickprotection[S] 2 指標 11小時前
If I'm not mistaken I think extensions have to be at least 3 years in length. They can be a fake three years such as 2 years + 1 year player/team option though.
[–]johncenatbh 44 指標 11小時前
If i was a GM i wouldnt max him, i'd give him a deal like the Warriors did with Curry, even Curry wasn't as injury prone as Embiid then but he lost a lot of money.
[–]Lakerspickprotection[S] 18 指標 11小時前
What if the Sixers offer him that and he refuses. Are you forced to trade him or do you wait till he hits restricted free agency and just match any offer?
[–]johncenatbh 26 指標 11小時前
You wait, and if he is healthy u match it, if he isn't, you don't, theres too much risk giving a guy with Embiids history a 5 year max right away, he hasn't been healthy his entire pro career even in college.
[–]LakersKsanti 4 指標 11小時前
They're not going to extend him on a max. They're going to wait until til free agency and if he's tracking the right way match any offer. They got saved somewhat by him missing the all Star vote because it makes it pretty much impossible for him to become rose rule eligible, but I don't see them locking their future around embiids health earlier than they have to
[–]76ersKingKingington 3 指標 11小時前
Not an exact answer, but more of a response to the initial answers I've seen; don't forget how much this guy loves the process/Philly. You can see and hear it in a lot of what he does. I think like anyone he wants to get paid but he's also not stupid so I'd think he understands the injury concerns. I genuinely believe he'd rather be here than have max money.
Now as for my actual answer for OP, I'd say we see a deal similar to Curry's (not the exact money, but mostly the idea that it'll be team friendly to prove he can hold up).
[–]MavericksMMM343 3 指標 11小時前
Very interesting. I'd say the 76ers have most of the leverage and Embiid will most likely trying to get as much money as possible. The 76ers won't be looking to pay him that much but they'll definitely try to keep him from becoming a free agent.
[–]MarvFuckingAlbert 3 指標 11小時前
76ers are stupid if they max him.
[–]SunsSt3rlinArch3r 2 指標 11小時前
Value is only as good as your health.
He could be next Oden and it's no doubt he's talented buy he's not worth max or even close.
We'll see but it's tough contract to know for sure.
[–]KnicksPinkFluffyKristaps 2 指標 11小時前
Honestly, it's kind of hard for us to say, because we don't have full access to his medical info like Philly do.
[–]TimberwolvesSwishBender 1 指標 11小時前
If you put yourself in the GM's shoes the only play is to max him. We all know he is a franchise player if he is healthy. If your team stalls out because he can't make it to the floor everyone will understand the gamble.
You could let him hit restricted free agency and match whatever offer he picks. Sure it could have a bunch of terrible crap in it but at the end of the day your team still has his bird rights to make a max offer should he opt out. It gives, at least, an extra two years of evaluation.
Of course he could get pissed you didn't believe in him, stay healthy, and walk. In that case everyone will think you as the GM fucked up the best shot your franchise had at a championship and everyone will hate you for overthinking it.
[–][LAL] D'Angelo RussellHolyRomanPrince 1 指標 11小時前
You let him go to RFA, match anything and risk the goodwill. That buys you 4 more seasons to construct a winning situation while having the built in excuse "well we couldn't just let him leave for nothing so we had to match. "
Even if he's upset now, the org still has the leverage at the end of the extension and assuming the team is in the right place, he's healthy and productive that next contract will be a 5 year max.
[–]RocketsSamsarAHHHHH 1 指標 11小時前
Trade him while he still have value. He'll never play a full season
[–][BOS] Paul PierceChancelor_West 5 指標 11小時前
Philly fans would march through the streets with Colangelo's head on a pike
[–]76ersPhiladelphiaFish 8 指標 11小時前
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If you guys thought the MVP race is crazy this year, check out 1990
[–]KingsCeJeH 1126 指標 4 天前
LOL Hakeem averaged 4.6 blocks and 2.1 steals that is insane.
[–][TOR] Jonas ValanciunasDavidKirk2000 32 指標 4 天前
That's some 2K type shit
[–]Bullshankbaumbach 600 指標 3 天前
This is what people mean when they say there aren't any dominant big men in the modern NBA.
Hakeem: 24.3 pts, 14.0 rbs, 2.9 ast, 2.1 stls, 4.6 blocks
Robinson: 24.3 pts, 12.0 rbs, 2.0 ast, 1.7 stls, 3.9 blocks
Ewing: 28.6 pts, 10.9 rbs, 2.2 ast, 1.0 stl, 4.0 blocks
[–]PistonsNathanA01 446 指標 3 天前
Game is just different though too. Back then, you didn't see teams spreading the floor and shooting 50 3s a game. It is really tough to average those kinds of numbers when nobody is banging down in the paint.
[–]KingsCeJeH 133 指標 3 天前
Yep. Pretty rare to see Centers out on the perimeter blocking 3s.
[–]ThunderDirectorPhiICoulson 79 指標 3 天前
Steph was blocked only once I believe last year from three, and it was Funaki that did it.
[–]76ersDrewFlan 44 指標 3 天前
I remembering looking it up when I was having a Shaq vs. Hakeem debate months ago but I think he is #9 all time for steals. What's crazy about that is he is the only center in the top 50 (or 75 I forget). Everyone else on the list is either a forward or guard.
[–]Knicksramjam0920 63 指標 3 天前
but somehow people on r/nba can't accept that Hakeem was better than Shaq
[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn 27 指標 3 天前
The thing is, prime Shaq was a bulldozer. He was putting up crazy numbers. And I think his numbers look better than Hakeem's.
BUT, Hakeem was the only one EVER (at least in the modern era) to win a title without even another all star on the team. Hakeem was also elite on defense, and Shaq was not.
AND, Hakeem's game would translate better to any other era.
[–][CLE] Matthew Dellavedovaqa2 32 指標 3 天前
Here's how I compare the two....
If I want a player for three years I take Shaq.
If I want a player for their entire career I take Hakeem.
[–]RaptorsClydeOberholt 28 指標 3 天前
The people saying that are those too young to have seen Hakeem play.
[–]Rooster1981 60 指標 3 天前
Ive seen them both in their prime. Hakeem was amazing no doubt. Shaq was more dominant. Hard to say who was better.
[–]76erscygdai22 572 指標 4 天前
Reminder that Chuck should've been MVP that year, but a bunch of reporters completely left him off their ballots because of Barkley's bad reputation. He had 38 first places votes to Magic's 27.
[–]user329541826 188 指標 4 天前
Yep, i agree. Chuck was the MVP.
[–]shoefly72 183 指標 3 天前
The fact he shot 60% at his size and put up 25 and 11 is nuts.
[–][CLE] Cedric Hendersons_s 137 指標 3 天前
Still shot 60%, while shotting 22% from 3 on waaaaay too many attempts.
[–]KnicksSuperstarTinsanity 46 指標 3 天前
Time and perception are interesting, back then you ask people why Charles was so good and "he could even shoot threes" would be part of it
[–]CelticsWalkerg2011 109 指標 3 天前
He could shoot them perfectly fine.. He'd even make one every once and a while.
[–]Knicksaoifhasoifha 96 指標 3 天前*
Kind of like Lebron if he grew up on a high gravity planet and therefore got compressed to ~6'4-5, or like a young Eric Gordon +80 lbs but with no loss of speed (but not nearly as good a shooter) with the rebounding of Drummond.
Never seen anyone like him, hence the ridiculous comparisons.
edit: oh, or like Russell Westbrook in Draymond Green's body.
edit 3: or if Giannis and Boogie did the fusion dance except shorter and fatter and stronger. even the personality would match
edit 8: the version of Javale McGee that Javale McGee sees in his mind's eye, moments before a Shaqtin/Tragic Bronson moment, except brought into reality and rounder and mounder and much much more rebounder.
edit 9: Bizzaro Kawhi Leonard (remember that Bizzaro also has ass kicking superpowers)
edit 10: maybe also Bizzaro Steph Curry, he was that unique and game changing but also the opposite in almost every way, physical attributes, personality, play style (although they took a similar amount of 3's, adjusted for era. Not surprised Chuck has problems with analytics and jump shooting teams cough22%).
People forget that there's a real, very valid argument that Chuck was the best player in the world at certain points in time while Michael Jordan was still at the peak of his powers. I know it sounds crazy, but it's like the year were you could legitimately say Dwight was better than LeBron- it sounds like a joke today but it happened (for the record, I say Barkley was better than MJ for that one regular season but Dwight wasn't better than LeBron- but it was really, really close. One of the things that makes LeBron great is that he would be the best and most productive player in the league on almost any team, with almost any supporting cast- Dwight had the perfect supporting cast that year and LeBron had a poor one which is why it was close. Not so with Barkley/MJ- Chuck was actually that good).
edit 12: Ben Wallace, if you flipped offense and defense and kept rebounding
edit 13: Michael Beasley, if he had fulfilled the potential he displayed in college, or Blake Griffin if he makes that last step I've been hoping for/expecting for years
edit 14: a combination of John Stockton and Jeremy Lin, if...nah, I'm fucking with you, I'm spent. Word up to Sam Hinkie, fuck James Dolan, please give me a job Bill Simmons, Kanye/Jokic 2020, I'm out.
人们忘记了曾经有一段时间里，人们非常认真的觉得巴克利就是世界上最好的球员，而那时乔丹仍然处于巅峰。我知道这听起来挺扯淡的，但是就像在好几年前你完全可以说魔兽霍华德比勒布朗更厉害一样——虽然现在听起来像个笑话，但是这真的发生过。（认真讲，我觉得在那一个 赛季里巴克利真的就是比乔丹要强，虽然霍华德没有在任何一个赛季真正比勒布朗强过，但是 他俩在之前的某段时间里确实非常接近。勒布朗之所以伟大的一个原因就是，不管在任何球队 他都能成为联盟里最棒和最高效的那个人，而那一年霍华德则拥有着为自己量身定做的完美帮手，相反 勒布朗的队友都一塌糊涂，所以我才说霍华德和他很接近，但是很没有超过他。然而巴克利和 乔丹却不是这样，那一年巴克利就是单纯的比乔丹牛逼罢了。）
[–]Jazzsadashn 149 指標 3 天前
Barkley had what at the time was the second-most efficient 20+ppg season in NBA history (66.1% true shooting), second only to himself (66.5% true shooting a few seasons prior). Led the league in ORB/G despite being about 6'4" (technically listed 6'6", but even back then people knew it wasn't true). Most importantly, he caused that roster to heavily overachieve. They had no business winning close to that many games.
[–]Bullsnowandlater 281 指標 4 天前
People were still disrespecting MJ at that point because he had yet to drag his team past Detroit
[–][NYK] Renaldo BalkmanFenderBender71 112 指標 4 天前
The Pistons did have a big drop off before the Bulls were able to get pass them but that's usually how it's been during the whole history of the league.
[–]BullsThatGuyisYou 43 指標 3 天前
The pistons still made it to the ecf when the bulls beat them
[–][NYK] Renaldo BalkmanFenderBender71 33 指標 3 天前
Yeah but the East was definitely weak back then. Pistons won 50 games and were the 3rd seed. Huge difference compared to the heyday of the East back in the 80s. The Knicks and Pacers haven't developed yet to those teams that gave Jordan trouble later on for the rest of the 90s. The Sixers had Barkley and nothing else and the Celtics and Pistons were on their last legs (Isiah missed a lot of time because of injury and Larry's back was shot at this point).
I'm not shitting on Jordan's legacy here. I'm just saying that what happened is that the Pistons dropped off a lot and the Bulls maintained the upward trajectory of their team. Great teams falling off because of fatigue, old age, etc. and getting beaten by younger and up coming teams ready to make the jump to the next level is nothing new.
Edit: Just for comparison, Detroit won 63 and 59 games during their 2 championship years before they got swept by the Bulls.
[–]BobcatsMoe__Lester 267 指標 4 天前
How TF did Jordan average 34 points on 53/38/83 shooting splits
[–]Braveshayabusa- 276 指標 4 天前
when you realize the season before Jordan averaged 33/8/8 with 3 steals and 1.6 blocks shooting 54% from the field
[–]ImNotPayingFullPrice 25 指標 4 天前
That year Collins played him at PG to end the season and he had something stupid like 12 triple doubles in 21 games or something.
[–]bjankles 65 指標 4 天前
Block numbers of a strong center. Jesus.
[–]Braveshayabusa- 79 指標 4 天前
before Hakeem really hit his stride there was a point where Jordan was probably the best offensive and defensive player in the league
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According to BasketballReference, James Harden now has a higher chance of winning the MVP (44.2%) than Westbrook (10.4%), Lebron (10.3%), and Kawhi (7.2%) combined. (self.nba)
Of course, the algorithm has flaws (KD is still at 17% chance) and it doesn't take into effect any media narratives (historical importance of triple doubles), but I thought it was interesting.
[–]Trail BlazersDriew27 579 指標 14小時前
Funny that harden would go from not making an all NBA team one year to league MVP the next
[–]WizardsMawly-G 378 指標 14小時前
To be fair, it was an absolute travesty that he was left off those teams. Houston underachieved, sure, but he still put up ridiculous stats and grinded to get his team to that 8th seed.
[–]ClippersRudolphGobert 216 指標 14小時前
Proof again that literally the only thing that matters is expectations
[–]Rocketsmarksoutherntwain 62 指標 10小時前
Also a media bias against any and everything Rockets before this season.
[–]ClippersRudolphGobert 50 指標 10小時前
Morey is a bad GM because he understands statistics!
[–]zxc123zxc123 44 指標 10小時前
"LOL silly Morey! Adding Le Pringles man who has no defense to the no defense rockets and that no defense beard will NEVER WORK!"
[–]HeatLukeBron 22 指標 10小時前
I swear every team thinks the media has a bias against them
[–]RocketsLOOK_AT_IT 38 指標 10小時前
I mean, Charles Barkley still thinks our owner owes him money after he signed for cheap, got hurt, and didn't get a big contract afterwards.
That guy legitimately loathes the Rockets.
Couple that with Shaq's issues with Dwight and you get a unfavorable take on our team on a national broadcast fairly quickly.
[–]RocketsADAM_BRONZE 31 指標 10小時前
Bill Walton's been hating on us since the 90's
[–]RaptorsDeKobe-DeBryant 31 指標 13小時前
He nearly won the MVP in 2015 too.
2nd place in MVP voting to not making an All-NBA team to winning MVP.
[–]Rocketsstillwaitingatx 5 指標 12小時前
He won the players MVP vote. So I still call him MVP. Media is trash
[–][OKC] Xavier McDanielgaussx 41 指標 11小時前
Until the players vote Westbrook this year.
[–]Dawgshamdawg 33 指標 14小時前
He's gunning for Most Improved Player as well I guess
[–]RaptorsThaNorth 23 指標 12小時前
Won't happen. If Curry didn't get it last year Harden won't this year.
[–]Rocketsplaytio 19 指標 11小時前
Curry from MVP to MVP?
[–]Braveshayabusa- 15 指標 11小時前
to be fair going from consensus top 5 player to maybe best in the world is a massive jump
[–]RocketsSirScooby 71 指標 15小時前
Does anyone know when voting begins and ends?
[–][HOU] Yao Ming_rajivvv 38 指標 13小時前
If I remember correctly, it begins immediately after the regular season ends but I'm not sure when it ends.
[–]New Jersey Netshowboutnowgirl 84 指標 13小時前
They announce MVP after the first round of the playoffs.
I remember because I was sad as hell when Dirk got his MVP trophy in 2007 after being eliminated in the first round.
[–][PHX] Steve NashGerbil1320 44 指標 13小時前
They changed it this year and are having an entire awards show after the finals but before the draft actually
[–]Supersonicsexasperated_dreams 130 指標 15小時前
He was always the favourite imo
[–]76ersImmynimmy 41 指標 15小時前
True, but Westbrook leap frogged Lebron and Kawhi. I could have sworn a similar post last week had Westbrook in 4th place behind them.
[–]-917- 29 指標 15小時前
iow, Harden has roughly equal chance of winning MVP as KD+Russ+Lebron+Kawhi combined
[–]KnickedUp 2 指標 13小時前
I will guarantee you R Westbrook will not get the MVP...even if he finishes with 35/12/12 as his season averages.
[–]TimberwolvesShhadowcaster 34 指標 12小時前
The late season eruption he would need to hit those marks would 100% give him MVP. Voters would literally be voting directly after Westbrook goes on the best streak of his life and probably the greatest ever. He would need to average 55.8, 20.9 and 21.9 over the last 12 games. I think 12 more 50-60pt, 20 Reb, 20 AST triple doubles give him the MVP without question.
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When you play basketball in real life which NBA player do you play like? (self.nba)
When I play I feel like Im Draymond, I really have no other skills other than playmaking, hustling and way too hard defense for a pick up game.
[–]Cavalierstyler9090 503 指標 4 天前
Which NBA player is an out of shape white guy who can't do anything basketball related?
[–]PelicansGood_NewsEveryone 428 指標 4 天前
[–]Pelicanswholesomeagain 31 指標 4 天前
Yep. Although I might have better hands than him...
[–]Viling1 31 指標 4 天前
I am a combination of Shaq , Steve Nash , Tony Parker
Shoot like Shaq Defense like Nash Dunk like Parker
You guys feel scared ?
[–]RocketsHuman_On_Reddit 255 指標 4 天前
[–]Rocketssir_AstroMonkey 38 指標 4 天前
[–]CIark 12 指標 4 天前
That's Lavar "the GOAT who'd kill MJ" Ball to you.
[–][MIN] Karl-Anthony Townswokethebears 83 指標 4 天前
[–]Thundervforprez2 72 指標 4 天前
So you don't get picked for 5 on 5
[–][MIN] Karl-Anthony Townswokethebears 33 指標 4 天前
5 on 5 with a 3 man bench and I still don't get picked. :'(
[–]CIark 3 指標 4 天前
Tfw you don't get picked for 5 on 5 when there's only 10 guys
[–][GSW] Patrick McCawPandasadnap 184 指標 4 天前
I closest resemble whoever the worst player in NBA history is.
[–]Knicksthreekingmodest101 20 指標 4 天前
Anthony Bennett. Oh wait, you were talking about worst NBA player.
[–]MavericksA_MacGee13 37 指標 4 天前
Bingo. These are always so dumb and you can tell who are the guys you never want to play a pickup game of ball with.
[–]Brooklyn NetsBrooklynNets 96 指標 4 天前
Eh, the question is about playing styles. I have a teammate who plays like Harden in that he only takes threes, layups and occasional step-backs, and rarely plays defence. Another gets all his points off lobs and put-backs like DJ. Nobody's pretending that these rec-league guys are NBA-calibre players.
[–][NYK] Lance ThomasZenenx 134 指標 4 天前*
I play like Melo except i'm small and miss most contested shots. I occasionally hit threes tho so i got that going for me.
[–]HornetsYizWasHere 74 指標 4 天前
Lmao same. Playing like Carmelo is really fun though. Jab-steps and contested fadeaways.
[–][NYK] Lance ThomasZenenx 22 指標 4 天前
Pump fakes and jab steps are my go to moves, it's very beautiful when you drain a shot after a good fake or jab step.
[–][GSW] Andre Iguodalaw34ksaUce 113 指標 4 天前
I play like Westbrook. Without the athleticism, and speed, and hops, and play making ability, and handles, and shooting, and passing. I basically run into people and turn the ball over.
[–]ThunderRejuve 35 指標 4 天前
you're jerami grant
[–]NetsNetsBandwagonFan 46 指標 4 天前
I usually yell "Kobe" after every shot and "Javale" when I fuck up.
[–]Timberwolvesjustchillyo 64 指標 4 天前
The answer for 95% of /r/nba is Kyle Singler.
[–]76ersSecondstrike23 17 指標 4 天前
The offense of Nerlens Noel with the defense of Jahlil Okafor
[–]NuggetsOrod23 15 指標 4 天前
Good defense, subpar shot and can't finish at the rim for shit. Who's that?
[–]Kanye4President_2024 26 指標 4 天前
[–][TOR] Dell CurryiPharoh 29 指標 4 天前
Curry when he is in a slump
[–]BullsOutlaW32 74 指標 4 天前
Oh hey it's everyone I've ever played pickup with
[–]NuggetsMogusMaximus 12 指標 4 天前
Chris Birdman Anderson, without the height. Or the defense. Or the athleticism.
[–]Heatjaydontcare 17 指標 4 天前
So just the cool mohawk?
[–]NuggetsMogusMaximus 21 指標 4 天前
I don't even have that
[–]WizardsExoguana 12 指標 4 天前
[–]NuggetsMogusMaximus 11 指標 4 天前
[–]SpursMaltMilchek 26 指標 4 天前
I can see the resemblance.
[–]WarriorsTheLightSkinMamba 14 指標 4 天前
"POST UP YOU'RE 6'6!!!!"
"I'm a shooter!!!!!"[–]Celticschristea 5 指標 4 天前
a more athletic Steph Curry
[–][BOS] Paul PierceContraPositive 12 指標 4 天前
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编辑的是智障Who has the worst hair in the NBA? (self.nba)
Which current NBA player has the worst hair? Some names that come to mind:
Elfrid Payton http://imgur.com/STBprix
Dario Saric http://imgur.com/1RT9yuU
Iman Shumpert http://imgur.com/XAZBf5c
Joakim Noah http://imgur.com/7qC7kSD
Baron Davis http://imgur.com/OXBivYO
Chris Kaman http://imgur.com/0Dox2NG
Andrew Bynum http://imgur.com/k7OH5zs
Andrei Kirilenko http://imgur.com/3yRYWGp
I probably missed a lot of them, but who is the worst?!
[–]TimberwolvesBentumbo 106 指標 16小時前
Kyle Singler had some weird shit going on for a while
[–]ThunderLARRYORMAGIC 48 指標 16小時前
That shit is definitely still weird
[–][OKC] Anthony MorrowNoblePilsner 13 指標 16小時前
Dude has a fucking man bun now.
[–]Warriorsandrewfdp071291 54 指標 16小時前
[–]Sunstoasty_-[S] 27 指標 16小時前
HOW DID I FORGET THAT
[–][OKC] Kyle SinglerA_Lax_Nerd 13 指標 15小時前
Boozer looked like he raided the company supply cabinet of all their black sharpies
[–][WAS] Bradley BealWitNicky 128 指標 16小時前
Payton looks so stupid
[–][NYK] Micheal Ray RichardsonMasochist45 43 指標 16小時前
I think it covers how much he looks like Cameron Payne
[–][DET] Ben WallaceZeiramsy 17 指標 13小時前
Cameron Payne looks super weird to me because his face is just too small for his volume of hair. If he had a bigger head/fave it would look like a normal mini-fro (similar to Stanley Johnson or Wiggins).
[–]Lakersreevejyter 30 指標 16小時前
His hair looks like it smells bad too
[–][LAL] Magic Johnsonyoungtrece13 32 指標 16小時前
Honestly, i have a feeling it smells really good. You kinda gotta take care of it to maintain the volume and bounce to it
[–]Trail Blazersmm825 8 指標 13小時前
But, the sweat
[–][LAL] Magic Johnsonyoungtrece13 6 指標 12小時前
All the more reason to wash his hair with nice chemicals
[–]NetsSelfDeprecating 11 指標 16小時前
There's no way that doesn't affect his jumpshot.
[–]Kingscoopsdad10 4 指標 14小時前
When the Kings and Magic just played each other, I spent half the game trying to figure out exactly what was happening with his hair. Best I could come up with was that he wanted a ponytail that goes towards the front instead of the back.
[–]Spursstalefries 34 指標 16小時前
Chris Kaman looks he jumped so hard his hair fell right through his head and popped out of his chin.
[–]regnald 5 指標 13小時前
Gravity is a bitch
[–][LAC] Chris Kamanjeremycinnamonbutter 5 指標 12小時前
What goes up must come down.
[–]PistonsSnoaH_ 75 指標 16小時前
Definitely Aron Baynes
[–]Hornetsbubowskee 19 指標 16小時前
Don't diss fat Sheamus
[–]Pistonsthe_shins 7 指標 15小時前
I think it looks like he comes straight from an episode shoot of Vikings
[–][POR] Noah VonlehDrTom 21 指標 15小時前
Can't forget the Vladimir Radmanovic braids!
[–]ClippersKyriesTinFoilHat 66 指標 16小時前
Didn't someone post about how Payton's hair actually affects his jump shot? lol.
[–]Lakersnochill95 53 指標 16小時前
I dont watch Magic games because of his stupid hair too lol
[–][TOR] DeMar DeRozanCenturionPrime 36 指標 16小時前
It bothers me when he runs because it flops around all over the place.
[–][DAL] Dwight Powellrps215 59 指標 16小時前
Let's be real that's not why you don't watch the magic
[–]Jazz_Seditious_ 54 指標 15小時前
Uh guys, what about Drummonds shoulder hair? How could you possibly forget that?
[–]Sunstoasty_-[S] 38 指標 15小時前
YO WHAT THE FUCK
[–]KnicksISHLDPROBABLYBWRKING 17 指標 15小時前
Sooo that's not a tattoo.. wow
[–][DET] Ben WallaceZeiramsy 38 指標 13小時前
He shaved it once and his rpg dropped by one or so, leading our sub to conclude that a part of his powers are his hairy shoulders making other guys not want to box him out.
[–]Hornets765P 37 指標 16小時前
[–][MIA] Wang ZhizhiDopeMan93 30 指標 16小時前
He's got the "Atlanta fuck boi" hair cut with the blonde patch and light fade.
[–]CavaliersGarfield-1-23-23 10 指標 14小時前
Did he start that in Atlanta? I always assumed it was some weird German thing.
[–][DET] Ben WallaceZeiramsy 15 指標 13小時前
He had it before but it's no German thing, I can tell you that. The youth here right now pretty much uniformly looks like Macklemore.
[–][MIL] Sidney MoncriefSidMoncrief 20 指標 15小時前
Jeremy Lin had some drastic ones.
Payton obviously is straight from hell.
I don't get why LeBron doesn't shave his head, he'd look so much better shaved. MJ started to lose his hairline, he shaved that shit off. I started to lose my hairline, I shaved that shit off. All the legends do it, come one Bron.
[–]76ersthefreeman419 6 指標 15小時前
Lin looked very weird with those cornrows
[–][NYK] Kristaps Porzingisearl_smith_thethird 31 指標 16小時前
Gordon Hayward looks like he'd be called a Nazi by Sam Bee
[–][IND] Rik SmitsKyleRaynerGotSweg 56 指標 16小時前
Don't fuck with the Hairgod
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编辑的是智障The Only Way to Achieve Competitive Balance in the NBA (self.nba)
(Hopefully), no one roots for an injury. But you could hear an undercurrent among sports fans when Kevin Durant went down for a month: "hey, at least the regular season just got interesting."
Should we accept that world we live in? That, barring injuries, there's absolutely no drama to the NBA's 82-game regular season? Aside from a few spots in the #7 or #8 range (which ultimately translates into a playoff cameo and a 4-0/4-1 loss), we know who's making the playoffs. There's some intrigue about the order, the #1 seed, and home court advantage, but it's mild at best. Teams know this as well. At times, it feels like the contending NBA teams don't play the regular season with the intention of fighting tooth and nail for every win as much they're going through the motions, managing minutes, and trying to avoid injuries.
And hey, maybe that's fine. Maybe the NBA is content to make their regular season (and even their early-round playoffs) a long, extended foreplay to an inevitable showdown between the Cavs and Warriors. In a sense, it's like watching Rocky IV -- we're all waiting for the final fight vs. Drago, but we just have to watch a little build-up first.
If the NBA actually wants its regular season to matter -- if the NBA actually wants a majority of the teams go into the season thinking they have a shot --if the NBA wants competitive balance... there's an easy solution. (I imagine this has been written plenty of times before, but that only stresses the obviousness of the solution.)
Eliminate the "max" salary
Restricting all players to a "max" -- even one that's climbing due to new rules -- inherently creates an imbalance in the league. Here's why:
Superstars (like LeBron) are worth MUCH money than the max. Therefore, restricting how much these superstars can make automatically gives their clubs a huge -- and unfair -- edge over other teams. All max players get paid the same, when they shouldn't be. If my max player is LeBron and yours is Mike Conley (no offense to him), chances are I'm going to beat you.
The fact that the max is so artificially low also allows for the creation of super teams. When Charles Barkley and old schoolers complain that they never would have joined forced and formed super teams -- it's because they never had the chance. There was no max back then. Now, these days, you can somehow slide 2 or 3 "max" players on the same roster. That unfair advantage (of being able to under-pay a guy like LeBron) gets doubled and tripled when you can pair him with other star players.
How would a world with no "max" look?
I'm not suggesting pure fiscal anarchy, with the Knicks or Lakers doling out a $200 million payroll while the Bucks only cough up $60 or 70. We can make this formula work by keeping the salary cap / luxury tax in place.
In fact, it'd make the system all the more interesting if there was a salary cap (let's say $100 million for the sake of argument), but no max for inpidual players. Suddenly, GMs would have to formulate the best way to build their roster around those parameters. Would you want one great player making $50 million? Or two good players for $25?
Let's take that to the extreme. Let's say you're the Charlotte Hornets, who have been decent here and there but largely get ignored by the NBA at large. Suddenly: LeBron James becomes a free agent. How much (of your $100 million) would you offer him? Statisticians may formulate a reasonable answer of $60 or $70, but couldn't you see a GM saying "fuck it" and offering $90? A team with a $90-million LeBron and a bunch of minimum level players may not win the title -- I suspect they'd be around a #6 or #7 seed -- but at least they'd be relevant. At least they'd be interesting. For many NBA franchises out there, "relevant" would be an upgrade.
In fact, the entire league would be relevant again. If you presume that NBA GMs could correctly gauge a player's value (which is a big leap) then every team in the NBA should be equal. Literally. If talent could be properly weighed and salaries paid accordingly, we may see every team in the league at .500. Now, that obviously wouldn't play out, because players don't always perform at their expected level. Teams wouldn't always make the perfect decisions. But let's reward the teams that make the best decisions rather than the teams that stumbled into a superstar.
In the "no max" world, GMs jobs get a lot harder, but a lot more liberating. You can remake your roster in any way you want. Maybe LeBron + the minimum turns out to be better than a team of 8 solid $10-million-dollar rotation players. Maybe not. It'd put a lot of onus on the GMs to evaluate talent properly, and engineer a roster properly. If everyone's talent base is about equal, then the roster fit and complementary skills would be all the more important.
What I like about this system is that: it gives every team a fighting chance. If you're a franchise in need of a jolt, you don't need to tank for years and hope you hit a home run in the lottery. You can still do that -- if you want -- but you can also reshuffle your roster and your spending in unique and interesting ways.
the potential downside of no max
In my mind, there's no compelling reason to keep the max, but here are two that you'll hear:
The max is a way to protect teams from themselves. Let's say you go "all in" on a Paul George and offer him $65 million a year for 5 years. Then, all of a sudden, PG tears his ACL. That would create such a chasm and hole on your roster that it'd be near impossible to compete in the meantime.
That's a potential problem, but to me, still not a compelling reason to keep the current system. Teams would have to weigh the risk in their major signings, and act accordingly. Big risk, big reward.
The other downside -- and the real reason this system is unlikely -- is the players' union. Obviously, the majority of players are not LeBron. They're not making the max -- and wouldn't make a $70, $80 million salary that we're discussing here. They don't want those super-duperstars sucking up all the available cash in the system. The idea of an average rotation guy like Bismack Biyombo making $15+ million sits well with the rank and file. They'll vote to keep that type of system in place, because it benefits the majority of their players.
But it doesn't benefit the NBA. It doesn't benefit the fans. It doesn't benefit competitive balance.
If that's something we care about -- and maybe we don't... -- then we need to eliminate the max.
[–]PelicansGood_NewsEveryone 20 指標 19 天前
Durant going to GSW was much more a product of the denial of cap smoothing than max contracts.
[–]ZandrickEllison[S] 4 指標 19 天前
Steph Curry being on a cheap deal also helps.
But in the no max system, it wouldn't happen.
[–]Bullsnowandlater 15 指標 19 天前
Your team could have offered Curry a max when noone else did. Your team could have drafted draymond green.
The Warriors made great decisions within the rules and put themselves in position to win for a few. It's not unfair.
[–]Heatdeezee72 3 指標 19 天前
The real downside is that the NBA is a star driven league - for a large portion of fans, it is the personal appeal of big name stars that drives interest in the league.
By changing the league so that teams with the most stars are not necessarily the best teams, you basically guarrentee that some stars will be trapped on weak teams, and some of the best teams will lack true stars. This could alienate a huge portion of the fanbase.
Moreover, this would make cheap contracts hugely important - the best teans will be those that have legit stars on rookie contracts.
More importantly, superteams may be bad for competitive balance, but they are good for ratings - the Lakers-Celtics era, Jordan's Bulls, LeBron Heat and the Warriors-Cavs finals rematch have all been golden eras for the league in terms of revenue. If the NBA is a business, then eliminating the super team might not actually be good for the bottom line.
[–][DAL] Nick Van Exelglass_daggers 2 指標 19 天前
No cap. Teams can spend however much they want on players, with a couple caveats - once a teams payroll reaches 120% of the league average, they must pay $2 into a bonus pool for every additional dollar they spend over that limit. That bonus pool is then allocated to every team under the league average salary as 'free money', as a percentage of how under the median their salary is at. Contracts paid out using this bonus don't count towards a teams future calculations when determining their total salary against median. This will reward teams that don't overpay for assets over time by ensuring they can stay under average, if and until they feel they have enough assets to swing a big trade or FA signing. Instead of tanking you would see teams go 'lean', trying to find valuable contracts (instead of bad ones) and using those proceeds to shore up their roster (without impacting their ability to improve). Every team would be a threat to throw out a huge offer, and careful management of contracts would become even more important.
If someone like Dan Gilbert goes crazy on his roster, assembling a squadron of peak Superheroes, the tax generated by that imbalance would help teams on the other side of the spectrum build up accounts for signings without impacting their spreadsheet. It wouldnt prevent outlier superteams from forming - in fact, it might encourage it - but the floating penalty would ensure that teams flexing significantly more financial muscle directly contribute to smaller clubs ability to make competitive offers in the next offseason.
This would have an inflationary effect on player salaries, and in exchange for that players would be expected to play for shorter contracts. That would help trade velocity and enhance the FA markets responsiveness to player value.
[–]ZandrickEllison[S] 1 指標 19 天前
Isn't that the luxury tax, basically?
[–]chingt 1 指標 19 天前
and some of the best teams will lack true stars.
no max would increase the spread of stars.
One thing no one's mentioning here though is that it would make tanking a whole lot less appealing; considering how upsetting fans seem to find tanking, that might balance things out to a degree.
[–]LakersKsanti 2 指標 19 天前
You're missing the huge downside of removing the max which is that the max salary means that superstars make for good teams. If teams are paying players according to their value (and keep in mind superstars have disproportionately high marketing value in terms of sponsors, tickets etc. as well as just basketball value beyond the max) then superstars aren't going to be able to be competitive without taking a paycut.
A league with Lebron and KD never making the playoffs is not a league that is as popular as today's NBA. The way to build contenders would be like the 14-15 Hawks with even less star power, that's just not as interesting. Add into that scenario that no way Lebron gets a billion dollar lifetime deal and the rest of the superstars don't get anywhere near their endorsement hauls if they're not actually winning games and really the money sort of balances out. Removing the max just means the league gets less interesting and middling to low tier talent gets shafted, it doesn't do much to superstar payrolls.
[–]Charlotte HornetsVgatv 2 指標 19 天前
The league is just as competitive today as it has ever been. This year there are roughly 5 teams with a shot at a title (GS, San Antonio, Houston, Cleveland, Boston). Since 1980 this is the list of teams that weren't a 1, 2 or 3 seed that have made the finals
1981 Houston (6) - Lost
1995 Houston (6) - Won
1999 NYN (8) - Lost (Strike Season)
2006 Mavs (4) - Lost
2010 Boston (4) - Lost
And only 9 teams have made it as a 3-seed. So can we please stop pretending that the league is somehow less competitive today?
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