Could have used him tonight on Nene/Okafor instead of having Delfino do it after everyone played heavy minutes last night.
On the last possession, no coach would ever go to Okafor for the last shot. Unless, of course, the choice of defender is walking stick Dmo or Carlos "please don't make me play the 4" Delfino.
Patterson was our only good interior defender beside Asik. Delfino had no business defending Okafor down low.
Would have been nice for PPat to hit a jumper or two when our offense was kind of stagnant.
I wouldn't have minded keeping PPat if I trusted McHale at all to use him appropriately: As a 20mpg player, with Motiejunas getting at least as many minutes each game.
But because McHale is an idiot about rotations, PPat had to go.
You have to admit he was straight ballin' for us before he got traded. His jumpers were freakin' money and he spaced the court much, much better.
he knew where "He needed to be" for the offense to gel and get Harden's ball in the right spaces. Ever since the trade our spacing has gotten a lot worse. I like Dmo btw, this is not on him, he should have been playing a long time ago off the bench.
Damn Morey for continuously tampering with our rotations via these mid-season trades. Young teams need consistency in order to gel.
just mark it down. I am rarely sure about things but Robinson is not very good. He has no good elite qualities. His jumper is broken, undersized. He is not anyone worth sacrificing Patterson for
It's what our offense is missing. We were already shooting the least % from midrange in NBA history and we give up our only midrange threat. We become 1-dimensional and predictable, easy to guard when all they have to worry about is inside the semi-circle or from 3. Hell 2Pat was actually one of our best 3 pt shooters percentage-wise this season as well. He was good at being a stretch 4. We optimize him as a stretch 4 and of course he's not going to grab rebounds.
Pat doesn't create many of his own shots, but he has really been an extremelt efficient catch and finish option from almost all distances. HOU has other guys to get 3s and layups, but no one like Pat as a great midrange outlet for those moments when opponents got the "homerun plays" (drives to the rim and open 3s) covered.
These unproductive (or even somewhat productive) lotto picks are like cars-- value decreases rapidly once you drive them off the lot.
Robinson's value is going down every minute right now unless he shocked everybody and turns things around before the end of the season.
Actually, I remember Morey was ecstatic when Patterson fell to #14. He was on record claiming that Patterson was #6 on his draft board.
Another #14 pick was also proclaimed to have a chance of being "mini-Melo" and he netted us a second rounder after less than 2 seasons.
All-star potential at the draft means nothing once a guy is actually playing in the NBA. You look at how he plays on the NBA level, not how high he was drafted.
Fact is, the Rockets won't be patient with Robinson, or any other young player, really. It 's not their modus operandi. Teams that are already bad tend to be ok spending years giving young guys developmental minutes (see Bobcats) but HOU is trying to make a splash in the offseason to become a contender. Robinson really just has the remainder of the season to prove himself or become expendable for the larger cause.
I miss PatPat.
If the goal was playoffs this year, that trade went against that vision. I don't understand the role DMo fits. He's not aggressive enough to be a PF...he can shoot, but not consistently. He doesn't like to post up often.
Is he supposed to be a Channing Frye? I don't know.
Give it a year and no one will care about Patterson being gone
either way...we'll finish as a 6-8 seed, which is no different from what we would have gotten with Patterson and Morris still here.
I'm convinced, Patrick is Shane Battier Jr.
Patrick will toil around middling mediocre teams like Shane did with the Grizzlies and Rockets until he can find his superstars to carry their capes.
I'd say he's a average interior defender.
Lets not forget all the countless nights the other teams PFs would abuse both Marcus and Patterson on the boards and inside.
Remember when Rockets traded Rafer Alston for an injury prone 3rd string PG in Lowry? People wanted Morey's head
Remember when Rockets traded Aaron Brooks for a backup PG that had one GREAT game in the Playoffs against the Spurs in Dragic? What the hell is Morey thinking?
Even if Thomas Robinson turns into the next Jordan Hill or Tyrus Thomas, you still do the trade 10 times out of 10. There are no guarantees with prospects, but the upside of Robinson is too great to pass up for a replaceable piece like Patterson. I think Morey's own words were, "It was a trade we HAD to make."
I think the Robinson-Patterson trade is a reasonable bet by the Rockets in the mathematical sense-- the overall expected value of the transaction, when you consider all factors, is greater than what we gave up. A somewhat overly simplistic comparison to this would be betting $1 for a 35% chance of getting $3 and a 65% chance of getting $0.
Robinson can still pan out, and a lot of GMs feel he has all-star potential the proof of that is he went in the top 5 (and actually dropped to 5)
There is a chance that Robinson can be a all-star player with his skillset and Patterson doesn't really have that chance.
The Kings are built on potential, so for them it's easier to get rid of a guy who has potential because they are bout to draft another one in a few months here any ways.
The Rockets' power forwards were: Patterson, Morris, Motiejunas, and Jones.
Patterson and Morris were "alright"... but they have already been in the league for several years, and were just "alright".
They aren't world-beaters, and so it wouldn't be a risk to lose those guys, especially when you have guys like Motiejunas and Jones behind them who are not far off from being as good as Patterson, and they are both rookies.
You know what the Rockets had when they had Patrick Patterson? They had a no rebounding Power Forward that was not good enough to help Houston get to the next level. Pat was a good soldier that could hit the mid range shot. Thanks Pat but we needed a lot more and his upside was not much.
DM said that he made it a little harder for the team to make the play-offs this season. DM is playing the long game and making moves to help the team return to contention not just return to the play-offs. PAT was not contributing to the long plan.
If they gamble on 10 underperforming lotto picks and one becomes a star, that might be worth what was given up. Not to mention we were able to try all these guys out without any long term damage to our cap.
My guess is Morey could go out and find a dozen players with Patterson's skill set whenever he wants.
The cost of all these low probability/low risk/high reward moves is the dependable but limited rotation players you have to give up.
When the team sucked night in and night out, Patterson played laughably bad during that time, he's not immune to the streakiness of this team. He wasn't some stabilizing force that bought us out of our funks.
He was just another shooter who played AT TIMES average defense.
Once a player has actually reached his potential that is when it is too late to trade for him.
Do you think the Thunder would have traded James Harden if they knew he'd be the best SG in the NBA? No way in hell would they, they would have traded any one else to free up that cap space to keep him around.
If Robinson panned out any where else we would have never got him.
If he doesn't pan out here we did not lose a player in our long term future any ways.
What potential has Patterson shown?
He's a Small forward in the body of a powerforward with a streaky jumpshot. That is Patrick Patterson.
If his jumpshot was as consistent as some would have you believe, he'd actually be Dirk Nowitzki...but his jumpshot is average, some nights it is there and some nights it is not and the nights it is not then he's not going to give you much else.
Right now, he is a guy who rebounds and has a few nice dunks but is overall extremely inefficient and not useful.
Right now, Robinson is either the 4th or 5th best player involved in the trade. Pat, Toney, Cisco and maybe Aldrich all more useful for their teams.
Thomas Robinson is terrible right now and has not shown many signs of getting much better even for the future. He has bad hands (one play vs Memphis where he rebounded the ball and immediately got stripped is the classic Robinson play), can't shoot, is out of control on his drives, turns the ball over in 20% if his touches. His +/- is also bad.
The guy looks more like a future Tyrus Thomas than an Allstar
Sorry, not missing PP at all. Really pretty much a role player on the bench of a decent team. Not deserving of rotation minutes. A PF who has no post game, doesn't rebound, and plays below average defense. What is there to miss?
It could be a Shane Battier vs Rudy Gay situation all over again. Patterson would be a better player now but what if TJones or DMo has the potential to get significantly better in 2-3 year span?
I wish him the best but he really didn't have that great of a game after that knee injury he suffered, once that occurred it seemed like his explosiveness and aggressiveness went with it.
T-Jones is about the same height (slightly taller I'd say) but he can actually defend weak side, as well as man up in the post. He has great athleticism and timing for blocking shots plus is quick enough to nab a good amount of steals.
His offensive game could use a lot of help, from what everyone's been saying and from what we've seen during summer league
I believe he'll make us forget Ppatt after this season
Patterson would be a better fit with the current team, and Dwight could aid with some of his rebounding issues
Patrick has now won one more game at the conference finals than the team that traded him for Thomas Robinson.
And whatever became of these 2ND round picks that we got for Robinson? Popanikaloau and what else?
Seeing Pat, Scola, and Lowry do well in Toronto kills me. Miss those guys
2Pat is still what I always envisioned him to be: A good rotation guy and a great PF option off the bench. I still wouldn't want him to be a starter on my team.
I am ok with the trade but the Rockets subsequently failed to even draft another Patterson
Royce White, Lamb and Jones were not better than Patterson, DMo on a good day maybe
What if DMo and TJones never had the injuries? Would we be telling tells of how well Morey finds talent consistently in the draft?
I've always liked Patrick Patterson and would love to have him back on the Rockets one day, although I agree that he shouldn't be a starting PF.
I also find it amusing that the haters are killing the Rockets for not getting enough of a return for what Patterson turned out to be. The fact is, he (and subsequently Thomas Robinson - at the time a more tradeable "commodity") was cleared out for the best ZERO SALARY return the Rockets could get at the time.
The REAL return for Patterson/Robinson was DWIGHT HOWARD. Those salaries had to be cleared out in order to offer Dwight the max. No way Dwight signs here in 2013 without that max cap room.