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题目是夏季转会总结,说着说着就成了上一场复盘,就成了卢卡斯黑,每篇赛后都黑卢卡斯。
题目是夏季转会总结,说着说着就成了上一场复盘,就成了卢卡斯黑,每篇赛后都黑卢卡斯。
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[quote][b]引用139楼 @yamitsu 发表的[/b]:
"Ilori’s exit provides the latest example of Liverpool’s flawed transfer strategy during Rodgers’ reign prior to this summer. Out of the 24 players they brought in from 2012 to 2014, 13 of them have now either left the club or been sent out on loan.

Many of those who have been shown the door were players like Ilori who were lauded by the transfer committee rather than being deals that Rodgers was the driving force behind.

Out of the eight players who arrived at the club last summer, four have already gone with three of them – Mario Balotelli, Javier Manquillo and Lazar Markovic – viewed as committee picks.

Of course Rodgers isn’t in the business of cutting off his nose to spite his face. If he thought they were up to the task he would have kept them and played them. The bottom line is they, like Ilori, didn’t impress him, but it underlines the folly of signing players the manager isn’t 100% sold on. - Meaning they will never get a chance so why buy them in the first place?

This summer saw a change of approach from the owners who backed Rodgers’ judgement and gave him what he wanted as targets were secured early on in the window with a minimum of fuss. "



The above is an exerpt from a James Pearce article and for me sums up the issue the club has been facing the last 3 seasons and is the underlying reason for the state of the squad. Having a manager who is fighting internally as well as against other clubs will never work.

I think it is obvious Brendan is playing the 'Politics Game' and that Pearce is VERY wrong in the bold sentence above. IMO that is EXACTLY what Rodgers is doing with his management of the players brought in by the TC and why he should step aside.

Only a manager who has proved his system works should have the 'free reign' BR requires. Thus far Rodgers has failed to demonstrate he knows what his best players are or the best system to use them in for 3 seasons now and enough is enough.

With Top 4 qualification more difficult than ever and the stumbling of Man UTD currently means we simply HAVE to capitalise or we find ourselves with an even bigger mountain to climb. We failed last season, this season it should be our only priority yet here we war having to listen to BR impress that a cup and top 4 are targets. Well forget the cups Brendan they only serve to decorate cabinets and flatter ego's, they offer little to the coffers tin. They are 'Trophy' trophies and are a long way down the list below the 'bread and butter' of the PL and CL.

The biggest mistake last year was diluting the squad with 'potential' when cementing a top 4 spot was paramount. Yet here we heard BR again saying that he wanted a squad "capable of competing on all fronts". Why? He got ahead of himself and thought even without Luis the squad was capable of competing in four competitions.

Again, IMO only teams such as Chelsea and City have squads capable of being stretched to four competitions in a season. For BR to even think he had a chance was amateur, totally amateur. If he didn't agree with the signings brought in how did he think he was going to turn them into a squad capable of doing the job?

He has got himself involved in the romance and history of the club way too much and it is affecting him just like his decision to play Chelsea for a win instead of the result he needed which was a draw. Again amateur.

I could go on about his tactics and his substitutions but I think the general opinion is the same for everybody now, even his stanchest supporters of which I was one but no more.

Without dissecting his last three seasons to the eights degree which really isn't necessary to form an opinion I really do think now is the time for BR to hold his hands up and say goodbye. His job is only going to get tougher from now on now he has lost the trust of the fans.

Thoughts?[/quote]
罗杰斯卖人太有针对性了,他的球队缺乏公平可言
[quote][b]引用139楼 @yamitsu 发表的[/b]:
"Ilori’s exit provides the latest example of Liverpool’s flawed transfer strategy during Rodgers’ reign prior to this summer. Out of the 24 players they brought in from 2012 to 2014, 13 of them have now either left the club or been sent out on loan.

Many of those who have been shown the door were players like Ilori who were lauded by the transfer committee rather than being deals that Rodgers was the driving force behind.

Out of the eight players who arrived at the club last summer, four have already gone with three of them – Mario Balotelli, Javier Manquillo and Lazar Markovic – viewed as committee picks.

Of course Rodgers isn’t in the business of cutting off his nose to spite his face. If he thought they were up to the task he would have kept them and played them. The bottom line is they, like Ilori, didn’t impress him, but it underlines the folly of signing players the manager isn’t 100% sold on. - Meaning they will never get a chance so why buy them in the first place?

This summer saw a change of approach from the owners who backed Rodgers’ judgement and gave him what he wanted as targets were secured early on in the window with a minimum of fuss. "



The above is an exerpt from a James Pearce article and for me sums up the issue the club has been facing the last 3 seasons and is the underlying reason for the state of the squad. Having a manager who is fighting internally as well as against other clubs will never work.

I think it is obvious Brendan is playing the 'Politics Game' and that Pearce is VERY wrong in the bold sentence above. IMO that is EXACTLY what Rodgers is doing with his management of the players brought in by the TC and why he should step aside.

Only a manager who has proved his system works should have the 'free reign' BR requires. Thus far Rodgers has failed to demonstrate he knows what his best players are or the best system to use them in for 3 seasons now and enough is enough.

With Top 4 qualification more difficult than ever and the stumbling of Man UTD currently means we simply HAVE to capitalise or we find ourselves with an even bigger mountain to climb. We failed last season, this season it should be our only priority yet here we war having to listen to BR impress that a cup and top 4 are targets. Well forget the cups Brendan they only serve to decorate cabinets and flatter ego's, they offer little to the coffers tin. They are 'Trophy' trophies and are a long way down the list below the 'bread and butter' of the PL and CL.

The biggest mistake last year was diluting the squad with 'potential' when cementing a top 4 spot was paramount. Yet here we heard BR again saying that he wanted a squad "capable of competing on all fronts". Why? He got ahead of himself and thought even without Luis the squad was capable of competing in four competitions.

Again, IMO only teams such as Chelsea and City have squads capable of being stretched to four competitions in a season. For BR to even think he had a chance was amateur, totally amateur. If he didn't agree with the signings brought in how did he think he was going to turn them into a squad capable of doing the job?

He has got himself involved in the romance and history of the club way too much and it is affecting him just like his decision to play Chelsea for a win instead of the result he needed which was a draw. Again amateur.

I could go on about his tactics and his substitutions but I think the general opinion is the same for everybody now, even his stanchest supporters of which I was one but no more.

Without dissecting his last three seasons to the eights degree which really isn't necessary to form an opinion I really do think now is the time for BR to hold his hands up and say goodbye. His job is only going to get tougher from now on now he has lost the trust of the fans.

Thoughts?[/quote]
罗杰斯卖人太有针对性了,他的球队缺乏公平可言
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[quote][b]引用141楼 @战斗吧红军 发表的[/b]:
题目是夏季转会总结,说着说着就成了上一场复盘,就成了卢卡斯黑,每篇赛后都黑卢卡斯。[/quote]
人蜜也需要客观对待事实存在的问题吧
[quote][b]引用141楼 @战斗吧红军 发表的[/b]:
题目是夏季转会总结,说着说着就成了上一场复盘,就成了卢卡斯黑,每篇赛后都黑卢卡斯。[/quote]
人蜜也需要客观对待事实存在的问题吧
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杰拉德一走
我浦连最后一点血性都没了
呜呼哀哉!!
看这群年轻人对西汉姆落后时全部都在XJBT
没点定性
挺让人痛心的

多特已经走在重返欧冠强权的道路上
我浦呢?
杰拉德一走
我浦连最后一点血性都没了
呜呼哀哉!!
看这群年轻人对西汉姆落后时全部都在XJBT
没点定性
挺让人痛心的

多特已经走在重返欧冠强权的道路上
我浦呢?
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一句话 罗杰斯还不具备指教豪门球队的能力
一句话 罗杰斯还不具备指教豪门球队的能力
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64你自己说,你写这文章脸红不红...
64你自己说,你写这文章脸红不红...
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[quote][b]引用143楼 @liverpool64 发表的[/b]:
<BR>人蜜也需要客观对待事实存在的问题吧[/quote]
就利物浦目前的人员来说,每个球员赛后都可以找出一些黑点。
但偏偏你的赛后几乎每次都点名批评卢卡斯,我不是卢卡斯人蜜,他也是俱乐部的老臣,我只是有点看不下去。
其实在中圈弧往本方禁区回追这事儿黑卢卡斯我觉得他有些冤枉,经常看到他不遗余力的回追,而不是散步,对方进攻推进的稍慢一点,他可能就能回到本方大禁区前。
你贴的动图那次,首先,他即使回追,也是追不上对方的,可以以远端回追的克莱因 为参照看一下,因为对方持球队员确实速度快。其次,不仅仅是卢卡斯,米尔纳也采取了中场干扰对方持球队员的策略,失败后和卢卡斯一样拼命回追;结合平时比赛罗杰斯的战术,可见这次应该是罗杰斯的战术安排,尽量第一时间干扰对方出球,延缓对方的反击,能抢下来最好。(应该说这样的安排有轻视对手的嫌疑)
[quote][b]引用143楼 @liverpool64 发表的[/b]:
<BR>人蜜也需要客观对待事实存在的问题吧[/quote]
就利物浦目前的人员来说,每个球员赛后都可以找出一些黑点。
但偏偏你的赛后几乎每次都点名批评卢卡斯,我不是卢卡斯人蜜,他也是俱乐部的老臣,我只是有点看不下去。
其实在中圈弧往本方禁区回追这事儿黑卢卡斯我觉得他有些冤枉,经常看到他不遗余力的回追,而不是散步,对方进攻推进的稍慢一点,他可能就能回到本方大禁区前。
你贴的动图那次,首先,他即使回追,也是追不上对方的,可以以远端回追的克莱因 为参照看一下,因为对方持球队员确实速度快。其次,不仅仅是卢卡斯,米尔纳也采取了中场干扰对方持球队员的策略,失败后和卢卡斯一样拼命回追;结合平时比赛罗杰斯的战术,可见这次应该是罗杰斯的战术安排,尽量第一时间干扰对方出球,延缓对方的反击,能抢下来最好。(应该说这样的安排有轻视对手的嫌疑)
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这次退场说明他们对本场比赛不满到一定程度了
跟他们下一场来不来没任何关系
如果以Kop看台不再有人来为衡量标准
把罗杰斯换成沈祥福也没问题





这次退场说明他们对本场比赛不满到一定程度了
跟他们下一场来不来没任何关系
如果以Kop看台不再有人来为衡量标准
把罗杰斯换成沈祥福也没问题





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[quote][b]引用146楼 @edwardthy 发表的[/b]:
64你自己说,你写这文章脸红不红...[/quote]

不明白你的意思
[quote][b]引用146楼 @edwardthy 发表的[/b]:
64你自己说,你写这文章脸红不红...[/quote]

不明白你的意思
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[quote][b]引用148楼 @北长街 发表的[/b]:
<span style="line-height: 1.6;">这次退场说明他们对本场比赛不满到一定程度了</span><div><span style="line-height: 1.6;">跟他们下一场来不来没任何关系</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.6;">如果以Kop看台不再有人来为衡量标准</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.6;">把罗杰斯换成沈祥福也没问题</span>
</div>[/quote]

球迷支持的是利物浦,不是罗杰斯。

你说这场你不想看了,下一场你能忍住不看吗?

至于说主教练了是谁,这毕竟不是球迷能决定的,静观其变吧。

达格利什的时候,球迷也没少退场。
[quote][b]引用148楼 @北长街 发表的[/b]:
<span style="line-height: 1.6;">这次退场说明他们对本场比赛不满到一定程度了</span><div><span style="line-height: 1.6;">跟他们下一场来不来没任何关系</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.6;">如果以Kop看台不再有人来为衡量标准</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.6;">把罗杰斯换成沈祥福也没问题</span>
</div>[/quote]

球迷支持的是利物浦,不是罗杰斯。

你说这场你不想看了,下一场你能忍住不看吗?

至于说主教练了是谁,这毕竟不是球迷能决定的,静观其变吧。

达格利什的时候,球迷也没少退场。
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[quote][b]引用147楼 @战斗吧红军 发表的[/b]:

就利物浦目前的人员来说,每个球员赛后都可以找出一些黑点。
但偏偏你的赛后几乎每次都点名批评卢卡斯,我不是卢卡斯人蜜,他也是俱乐部的老臣,我只是有点看不下去。
其实在中圈弧往本方禁区回追这事儿黑卢卡斯我觉得他有些冤枉,经常看到他不遗余力的回追,而不是散步,对方进攻推进的稍慢一点,他可能就能回到本方大禁区前。
你贴的动图那次,首先,他即使回追,也是追不上对方的,可以以远端回追的克莱因 为参照看一下,因为对方持球队员确实速度快。其次,不仅仅是卢卡斯,米尔纳也采取了中场干扰对方持球队员的策略,失败后和卢卡斯一样拼命回追;结合平时比赛罗杰斯的战术,可见这次应该是罗杰斯的战术安排,尽量第一时间干扰对方出球,延缓对方的反击,能抢下来最好。(应该说这样的安排有轻视对手的嫌疑)[/quote]

其他人踢后腰也有比较莫名的失位上抢,但是回追速度比卢卡斯快多了。

最后一名中场拖后防守人,基本原则是保持队形距离,你如果要求为了配合卢卡斯到对手中圈上抢,要求整条后卫线过中线压迫,那我无话可说。
[quote][b]引用147楼 @战斗吧红军 发表的[/b]:

就利物浦目前的人员来说,每个球员赛后都可以找出一些黑点。
但偏偏你的赛后几乎每次都点名批评卢卡斯,我不是卢卡斯人蜜,他也是俱乐部的老臣,我只是有点看不下去。
其实在中圈弧往本方禁区回追这事儿黑卢卡斯我觉得他有些冤枉,经常看到他不遗余力的回追,而不是散步,对方进攻推进的稍慢一点,他可能就能回到本方大禁区前。
你贴的动图那次,首先,他即使回追,也是追不上对方的,可以以远端回追的克莱因 为参照看一下,因为对方持球队员确实速度快。其次,不仅仅是卢卡斯,米尔纳也采取了中场干扰对方持球队员的策略,失败后和卢卡斯一样拼命回追;结合平时比赛罗杰斯的战术,可见这次应该是罗杰斯的战术安排,尽量第一时间干扰对方出球,延缓对方的反击,能抢下来最好。(应该说这样的安排有轻视对手的嫌疑)[/quote]

其他人踢后腰也有比较莫名的失位上抢,但是回追速度比卢卡斯快多了。

最后一名中场拖后防守人,基本原则是保持队形距离,你如果要求为了配合卢卡斯到对手中圈上抢,要求整条后卫线过中线压迫,那我无话可说。
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[[quote][b]引用135楼 @newera 发表的[/b]:
有阴谋论说芬威博彩起家,用罗屌丝是因为年轻听话会按盘口指示踢球,我不希望这是事实,倘如此暗无天日将永无止境[/quote]
這個好難講,我看利物浦25年球了,也有點這樣的困惑。再看看吧,真如此,我軍就慘了,這幾年有些比賽真的看不懂呀。
[[quote][b]引用135楼 @newera 发表的[/b]:
有阴谋论说芬威博彩起家,用罗屌丝是因为年轻听话会按盘口指示踢球,我不希望这是事实,倘如此暗无天日将永无止境[/quote]
這個好難講,我看利物浦25年球了,也有點這樣的困惑。再看看吧,真如此,我軍就慘了,這幾年有些比賽真的看不懂呀。
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[quote][b]引用132楼 @liverpool64 发表的[/b]:
<br> 库鸟在司徒身后是最好的,但是谁来拿第一点呢?[/quote]
我觉得哭鸟就不该上场,因为他一上场,利物浦的前场三人组就只剩下一个人防守,司徒和本泰克不能一块上场。前场三人组的搭配可以有菲儿+因斯+本泰克(或者司徒、奥里吉),菲儿+本泰克+奥里吉,下下选择是库蒂尼奥+奥里吉+因斯。利物浦应该冬季召回马尔科维奇代替库蒂尼奥。
[quote][b]引用132楼 @liverpool64 发表的[/b]:
<br> 库鸟在司徒身后是最好的,但是谁来拿第一点呢?[/quote]
我觉得哭鸟就不该上场,因为他一上场,利物浦的前场三人组就只剩下一个人防守,司徒和本泰克不能一块上场。前场三人组的搭配可以有菲儿+因斯+本泰克(或者司徒、奥里吉),菲儿+本泰克+奥里吉,下下选择是库蒂尼奥+奥里吉+因斯。利物浦应该冬季召回马尔科维奇代替库蒂尼奥。
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[quote][b]引用153楼 @ylp003128 发表的[/b]:

我觉得哭鸟就不该上场,因为他一上场,利物浦的前场三人组就只剩下一个人防守,司徒和本泰克不能一块上场。前场三人组的搭配可以有菲儿+因斯+本泰克(或者司徒、奥里吉),菲儿+本泰克+奥里吉,下下选择是库蒂尼奥+奥里吉+因斯。利物浦应该冬季召回马尔科维奇代替库蒂尼奥。[/quote]

罗杰斯做教练的话,还是应该用库鸟,这符合他的战术思路。
[quote][b]引用153楼 @ylp003128 发表的[/b]:

我觉得哭鸟就不该上场,因为他一上场,利物浦的前场三人组就只剩下一个人防守,司徒和本泰克不能一块上场。前场三人组的搭配可以有菲儿+因斯+本泰克(或者司徒、奥里吉),菲儿+本泰克+奥里吉,下下选择是库蒂尼奥+奥里吉+因斯。利物浦应该冬季召回马尔科维奇代替库蒂尼奥。[/quote]

罗杰斯做教练的话,还是应该用库鸟,这符合他的战术思路。
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罗杰斯你要是个男人,下一场请继续首发卢卡斯,别缩哦
洛夫伦为什么在南安普顿和利物浦发挥判若两人,因为在圣徒他前面站着的人是万亚马,利物浦中圈戳着智慧型后腰卢卡斯。
罗杰斯你要是个男人,下一场请继续首发卢卡斯,别缩哦
洛夫伦为什么在南安普顿和利物浦发挥判若两人,因为在圣徒他前面站着的人是万亚马,利物浦中圈戳着智慧型后腰卢卡斯。
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你大概没看我之前回复的背景

有球迷抱怨输一场球而已负能量太多
我用Kop看台举例是要说明
这真不是输一场球而已
这是在主场极其难看的创造耻辱记录
难看的铁杆都看不下去
所以论坛有怨言再正常不过了


仅此而已
你大概没看我之前回复的背景

有球迷抱怨输一场球而已负能量太多
我用Kop看台举例是要说明
这真不是输一场球而已
这是在主场极其难看的创造耻辱记录
难看的铁杆都看不下去
所以论坛有怨言再正常不过了


仅此而已
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别再黑卢卡斯了,我觉得更应该说罗杰斯,64为何那么针对卢卡斯,特点不是一朝一夕了,后腰那么重要为什么不买即战力,前场被断球反击很容易就能穿越压上的后腰,中后场空间大为什么不压缩防区,说白了就是前场进攻战术能力差,导致后卫不敢提上,前场配合乱七八糟才会被反击
别再黑卢卡斯了,我觉得更应该说罗杰斯,64为何那么针对卢卡斯,特点不是一朝一夕了,后腰那么重要为什么不买即战力,前场被断球反击很容易就能穿越压上的后腰,中后场空间大为什么不压缩防区,说白了就是前场进攻战术能力差,导致后卫不敢提上,前场配合乱七八糟才会被反击
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我觉得伊诺里的上限比队里的中卫都高,留下阿格、伊诺里,出售萨科,多好!
我觉得伊诺里的上限比队里的中卫都高,留下阿格、伊诺里,出售萨科,多好!
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64确实对球员偏见有点深,爱时可以容纳一切缺点,如对马儿;不喜欢的也总掩饰不住。其实那个失球,整个中场都在上压,按战术后卫线也该前提,保持三条线的距离,但明显后卫线和中场脱节,留下来巨大空间。卢卡斯固然回追速度不行,但两个中后卫的应对也很业余,本来该一个后退保护,一个上前紧贴持球人员,但两人都是一直后退,给对手从容起脚打门的机会。
64确实对球员偏见有点深,爱时可以容纳一切缺点,如对马儿;不喜欢的也总掩饰不住。其实那个失球,整个中场都在上压,按战术后卫线也该前提,保持三条线的距离,但明显后卫线和中场脱节,留下来巨大空间。卢卡斯固然回追速度不行,但两个中后卫的应对也很业余,本来该一个后退保护,一个上前紧贴持球人员,但两人都是一直后退,给对手从容起脚打门的机会。
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[quote][b]引用42楼 @HippoJump发表的[/b]:
本特克和菲尔米诺明显是买来就开始折旧。因为他们的能力都是摆在台面了,没有任何可发掘的空间了。[/quote]都是90后,还好吧、应该还有提升空间
[quote][b]引用42楼 @HippoJump发表的[/b]:
本特克和菲尔米诺明显是买来就开始折旧。因为他们的能力都是摆在台面了,没有任何可发掘的空间了。[/quote]都是90后,还好吧、应该还有提升空间
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